RÓISÍN MURPHY

yeah no problem with calling the UK a country. was just saying that it is a country made up of other countries in relation to the point about the US differing to the UK because of its makeup.

Hope she enjoys her new fans. Good grief. Acted like we didn’t exist when we played before her in a queer space this winter so I figured something was up.

— 🍄 Eris Drew 🍄 (@ErisDrew) August 30, 2023

lol "new fans" remember when Ariel Pink went on Tucker after Jan. 6 and people were saying he's gonna have a bunch of alt-right fanboys now?

I remember he got an iTunes bump and I was delighted to think of Fox News gramps listening to "Butt-House Blondies" for the first time

Indeed, was very disappointed that “The Ballad of Bobby Pyn” didn’t become de facto walk-on music at MAGA rallies.

Not promoting a record but still releasing it (they say they proceeds are being donated), and the artist is already getting free press from all the headlines about this in most major publications. Not the huge win some of you are making it out to be. https://t.co/0YITe9pO8J

— Niko Stratis (@nikostratis) August 30, 2023

I don't know the first thing about running a label but them outright cancelling the release would be catastrophic for themselves, no? esp for what was supposed to be a major release

why would any label in Glasgow want to snap her up?

suspect this was a specific reference to the transphobic current drummer of a formerly-major-label pop/rock act, who has a long-running indie label of his own — not the city’s music scene in general

I don't know the first thing about running a label but them outright cancelling the release would be catastrophic for themselves, no? esp for what was supposed to be a major release

Every independent label is on the brink of catastrophe at all times. Records don't sell, period, and you're desperately counting on any press that might conceivably move a couple of hundred copies. This is gonna be a huge kick in the balls for Ninja Tune.

ariel pink already had a bunch of alt-right fanboys, he just didn't make any new fans out of republicans who weren't already 4chan nazis and his career is pretty much dead. checking in on what he's been up to: haphazardly releasing music exclusively to his substack subscribers including a song with winston marshall

i hope murphy keeps to her word to shut up about her views and doesn't release an embarrassing garbage album about being cancelled or anything. i suspect the number of her fans who back her wrt this is far fewer than pink's anyway

xp yeah but my question is basically how worse would it be for them if they cancelled the release entirely

xxp Right. I wonder what the "proceeds" from the last one even were, and how long it took to make it into the black

xo Taking them at their word, $0 vs -$advertising/recording spend. kind of a lot.

With the yachting traction the story has got the past few days, they have to be thinking this mightn't break even.

sorry for swiping. no yachting. nite.

Hope she enjoys her new fans. Good grief. Acted like we didn’t exist when we played before her in a queer space this winter so I figured something was up.

god, i've had to play that game far too many times. "am i reading way too much into this awkward social interaction or has this person decided i'm a groomer?" it fucking _sucks_.

the claim that ninja tune are donating proceeds isn't in the article, just the journalist's twitter post, so idk what the deal is there

if they are donating proceeds that's a decent way to handle it, i don't really blame them for not cancelling a release at the last minute like this idk

suspect this was a specific reference to the transphobic current drummer of a formerly-major-label pop/rock act, who has a long-running indie label of his own

oh i would have thought numbers would be a better fit as far as glasgow labels run by a transphobe (in part at least) than the teenage fanclub drummer's label

The album comes out in a week. CDs and vinyl records are already made, packaged, and shipped. "Cancelling" it is impossible. This isn't the 80s where a label can just eat that kind of expenditure.

the claim that ninja tune are donating proceeds isn't in the article, just the journalist's twitter post, so idk what the deal is there

It's in the article. But you'd be forgiven for thinking that the article ended with the line at the top.

https://i.imgur.com/buJKvn7.png

But about this brother's widow

oh weird

the transphobic current drummer of a formerly-major-label pop/rock act, who has a long-running indie label of his own

this blind item has my curiosity piqued

already answered in the thread. idk anything about the principals of Numbers tho, which would be a better IRL fit than what I assumed was a snarky joke!

Right. I wonder what the "proceeds" from the last one even were, and how long it took to make it into the black

a club-based album from a great live performer that came out during extended closures of clubs and concerts venues is not rly a great test case of the artist’s viability. but note that she didn’t make it to a second album there, and has moved to a label without corporate backing.

she only had a one album deal for roisin machine, though it does seem to have charted a little better than the rest of her solo career. but she's still a rather niche artist, to most people moloko are nothing more than two-hit wonders from two decades ago?

idk anything about the principals of Numbers tho

jackmaster (numbers co-founder, no idea how involved he is in running it these days) said a bunch of transphobic shit on facebook many years ago (despite having sophie on the label!)

"Cancelling" it is impossible. This isn't the 80s where a label can just eat that kind of expenditure.

yeah exactly, which is why i'm not bothered.

Also probably there'd be legal issues given the 'allowable' reasons for cancelling a release are often pretty specifically included in contracts (ie the quality of the recordings being too shit to release, etc). This'll hit Ninja Tune hard enough without them being taken to court over it.

They couldn’t cancel the LP release (assume there is no contractual get-out apart from ‘bringing NT into disrepute’ that would apply in this case) so cancelling all the press/plugging, pulling the advertising and marketing is what’s left over and totally cancellable (my guess is NT was silent while considering what action could legally be taken). That’s a lot, still! A few items might’ve already gone to print but online might be paying out kill fees to journalists if pieces filed/lined up don’t then get published.

I've not worked with a label that cares more about doing things right than Ninja Tune, am p sure everyone there is miserable about this whole mess and that there have been a lot of sleepless nights over the best way to respond to this.

Is it still the Coldcut guys running things there stevie? If so, how hands-on are they?

jackmaster (numbers co-founder, no idea how involved he is in running it these days) said a bunch of transphobic shit on facebook many years ago (despite having sophie on the label!)

he was ousted from having anything to do with numbers many years ago.

The two signings/acoustic performances that she was due to do at Rough Trade East next week have now both been cancelled btw

she's probably playing accordion at her neighbours rn

Is it still the Coldcut guys running things there stevie? If so, how hands-on are they?

It's still their label, but the day-to-day running of the operation has been in the hands of the team they assembled for years now. But the same ideals they started the label with are common among everyone who works there, from my experience.

Looks like the Rough Trade record signings/mini-gigs are being cancelled

https://x.com/artdirectionk/status/1697178957127332316?s=46&t=bJOqpCuQneT7ju08y55VSA

Oh my bad didn’t see NickB’s post.

not sure she's gonna be taking the stage after dee diggs at this one either...

https://ra.co/events/1723612

way to clear your diary

People keep saying it was a ‘private’ conversation shared by someone but that’s not true is it? It’s complicated all that Facebook privacy stuff but if she’s talking on a friend’s FB wall then legally that’s not a private conversation is it?

idk about legally but no i wouldn't exactly say private. not the most public either but not private

Private would be a DM conversation. Conversations on Facebook walls are semi-private depending on the wall-owner’s settings; I think the default is friends of tagged friends can see content, so it’s more like having a conversation in a cafe than it is having a conversation in your house.

or writing your hot takes on the cafe's wall for whoever stumbles by

Ha, she’s signed her bathroom stall graffiti and is now like “oh I never meant for anyone to know that was me to offend”

Rough Trade have also dropped her as album of the month.

Never loved Moloko, but really loved her first two solo records and have stuck around for the ride ever since. Always found her a fascinating enigmatic kind of performer and only discovered she was kinda goofy after following her on IG during the pandemic.

All that said, I'm sort of enjoying imagining her sitting around watching each domino of this album's rollout fall and growing more and more irate.

Lesson? Don't be a fuckin incurious bigot!

so if y'all don't mind, i'm trying to keep track of the other transphobes here

so jackmaster doesn't do anything as far as running numbers (lol)... is he nominally involved? wikipedia still names him but their cite is from the guardian in 2014 and maybe just nobody updated it. anything to do with his actions at Love Saves the Day in 2018? i mean as far as transphobes go he seems like a class act.

the teenage fanclub drummer... who is that right now? they seem to have had a good number of drummers and wikipedia, well, you know. apparently euros childs is a member now? good to see him getting work, unless he's a transphobe, in which case i'm extremely disappointed... he's like the one person involved in all of this i've heard of, i think very highly of gorky's zygotic mynci.

TFC transphobe drummer is Francis MacDonald.

I didn't see it myself but apparently he started spouting his mouth on Twitter a few years back

fortunately it's Brendan O'Hare on a catholic education/bandwagonesque/thirteen

fortunately it's Brendan O'Hare on a catholic education/bandwagonesque/thirteen

― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length)

sure, but it's still disappointing they have a transphobe as their current drummer. being in a band with an outspoken bigot isn't really a good look.

Never loved Moloko, but really loved her first two solo records and have stuck around for the ride ever since. Always found her a fascinating enigmatic kind of performer and only discovered she was kinda goofy after following her on IG during the pandemic.

All that said, I'm sort of enjoying imagining her sitting around watching each domino of this album's rollout fall and growing more and more irate.

Lesson? Don't be a fuckin incurious bigot!

― ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever)

I don’t think she was a transphobe then… bigots don’t stay dormant for that long.