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― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 17:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Did her backside get shown the cock a few times too?

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 17:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Chris V. here's the tracklist of the promo copy which is on soulseek

1-Olio
2-Heaven
3-Open up your heart
4-I need your love
5-The coming of spring
6-House of jealous lovers
7-Echoes
8-Killing
9-Sister saviour
10-Love is all
11-Infatuanition

Both great tunes, it was worth the wait.

― Sami (Sami), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Got the Out Of The Races... EP today for a quid in Croydon. Please tell me they've got better since then (note: did like HOJL).

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 21:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 21:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Some of this is a bit Pixies, anyone agree?

Also I'm thinking the boldness of having a 4/4 house tune and such rocky stuff on one album is seriously deserving of praise.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 21:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Yr so spot on about the variety on D-d-don't stop ronan.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 21:17 (twenty-three years ago)

i like it more every time i listen to it. on headphones today was a revelation. "killing" is indeed total booming in yr jeep music. (could have done with a few more horn-stylee synth/sample horn stabs.) am really amazed they have reigned in that inevitable indie desire to freak out all over the shop enough to make an album which actually grooves for something like 80% of the time.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 21:19 (twenty-three years ago)

not to mention, "Killing" shows some Nelly influence with a spacy feel. yessir i do like it.

― rexJr., Wednesday, 14 May 2003 21:26 (twenty-three years ago)

like it more every time i listen to it.
I agree. i think its one of thoughs albums that the more you listen to it, the more you dig it. well at least fr me, it sounded OK on first listen but better on the second.

― rexJr., Wednesday, 14 May 2003 21:32 (twenty-three years ago)

i can't believe how much i like this.

― dan (dan), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 22:48 (twenty-three years ago)

This is amazingly good music.

― xnelio (xnelio), Thursday, 15 May 2003 08:07 (twenty-three years ago)

haha sterling it doesn't count if both are fucking shit!

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 15 May 2003 09:51 (twenty-three years ago)

I like it more and more with each listen as well. I hear the Robert Smith in his voice. It makes me move my pelvis more and more with each listen as well. Like the red haired nerd from Revenge of the Nerds, Pointdexter.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 15 May 2003 10:06 (twenty-three years ago)

I never expected to like this album as much as I have. And I'll add Richard Hell and Marc Almond to the list of dudes we think the singer sounds like.

― Mike Ouderkirk (Mike Ouderkirk), Thursday, 15 May 2003 10:37 (twenty-three years ago)

I'll second that. I was a little skeptical, but I got it last night (though I haven't listened all the way through yet) and it's WAY better than I thought it would be.

― slutsky (slutsky), Thursday, 15 May 2003 11:59 (twenty-three years ago)

2 cds still in the mail from amazon, but I fell in love with them live; I understand the beatboxy vers of Olio is the recorded one?

And wow is the guy's voice HIGH. I like it, it manages to be the goth-indie squeal to a Mayfield falsetto (that sounds like overpraise, but I think you get meh) It was pretty shocking, b/c I'd only heard HOJL and the 'rock' vers of Olio that was on gabba.net and those two are like the BOTTOM of his register!

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Thursday, 15 May 2003 12:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Admittedly I'm taken aback by the level of praise. Love the patch in the middle but the remainder seems like "eh not bad"/avg. indie rock to me. I've probably listened to the whole thing about a dozen times now. I'm finding the guy's voice less and less tolerable.

― Andy K (Andy K), Thursday, 15 May 2003 12:14 (twenty-three years ago)

I hope to hear the album today and actually see the band perform tomorrow. And then I shall report.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 15 May 2003 12:23 (twenty-three years ago)

His voice makes the group! See, this is how you work the itinerant tuneless yelp correctly.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 15 May 2003 12:23 (twenty-three years ago)

In fact, the entirety of _Echoes_ is what The Beta Band SHOULD have sounded like.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 15 May 2003 12:24 (twenty-three years ago)

They did a stellar job sequencing the tracks. Assuming this is the track order of the real release.

― scott m (mcd), Thursday, 15 May 2003 12:29 (twenty-three years ago)

it's not that tuneless! One song (dunno which yet) did the whole leading-tone-in-a-minor-key trick and he (and the bass player, who also sings a fair amt) hit it every time. (but I get what you mean, Dan)

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Thursday, 15 May 2003 12:30 (twenty-three years ago)

When's it out over here?

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 15 May 2003 12:30 (twenty-three years ago)

(Yeah, I was talking more about vocal quality than the actual notes he's hitting.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 15 May 2003 13:10 (twenty-three years ago)

I had the "Races" EP, and liked half of the tracks, then went off them. Then I heard the "old" version of Olio and thought "meh". Then I heard the "new" version of Olio...can't wait for the album. The last song on the aforementioned EP ("Caravan"?) is also great.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 15 May 2003 13:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Cheers for the Sister Saviour recommendation Yancey, it's excellent.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 15 May 2003 16:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Cool, Ronan. It's my fave on there by far.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 15 May 2003 16:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah it's got that swirly club feel to it, I could almost imagine it being played out. I also look forward to seeing who'll do the remixes when they release more singles. I'd love to see Jacques or someone get a hold of Sister Saviour.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 15 May 2003 16:46 (twenty-three years ago)

sister saviour = "jeopardy" by the greg kihn band

― mosurock (mosurock), Thursday, 15 May 2003 16:50 (twenty-three years ago)

The new record's OK. I like the old "Olio" better tho.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 15 May 2003 17:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Some of this is a bit Pixies, anyone agree?

Yes, track 2. Some of it's a bit Minutemen, too.

― scott m (mcd), Thursday, 15 May 2003 17:46 (twenty-three years ago)

the best part is that i have a feeling their best record is still to come.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 15 May 2003 17:49 (twenty-three years ago)

That's so very true, jess. And I don't have that feeling very often. It's a good feeling.

― scott m (mcd), Thursday, 15 May 2003 17:51 (twenty-three years ago)

i keep wondering how much of this is murphy and goldworthy. it's pretty well-known that the rapture and dfa spent a lot of time on this record, and jim & tim spent a lot of time trying to convince the rapture to go in more of a dance direction. obviously their prodding worked. live they are still much closer to out of the races (which i loved then and i love now, h8rs step off!) than "hojl," so i think there might be two bands at work here -- the rapture (sorry, ratpure) studio act, which combines dance and rock convincingly, stressing each equally, and the rapture the live act, which doesn't stray too far from the gang of four template.

i would not be surprised, actually, if they never make another record. since they hooked up with dfa almost two years ago they've really been sheltered and coddled by jim & tim -- tons of studio time, lots of off days, etc. -- and once echoes drops (sometime in 2k7, at this rate) they'll be in a spotlight that they've managed to court yet avoid at the same time. i dunno if they'll be able to handle it. i hope they can, though. they're sweet guys and an amazing band...

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 15 May 2003 17:54 (twenty-three years ago)

another point: a friend proposed that the dfa is courting this early factory records vibe in that they're trying to stay out of the limelight but at the same time trying to bring the attention to themselves without looking like they want it. standard-issue p.r. for sure. he suggested that once the rapture, juan maclean and lcd soundsystem records drop (a couple of which perhaps on a major label, say some who are in the know) the dfa will no longer be able to maintain this air of mystery and they'll become just another pair of studio heads and the dfa as we know it will die.

i dunno if i believe that, but it's interesting to think about. that once the dfa becomes THE DFA they'll effectively cease to exist. i dunno.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 15 May 2003 18:00 (twenty-three years ago)

has anyone heard lcd soundsystem besides "give it up" and "losing my edge"?

They're not too far away from exploding are they? It certanly isn't a scene that will stay in any one incarnation for very long.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 15 May 2003 18:02 (twenty-three years ago)

i was talking to matos about what the reception to the rapture will be once echoes drops, and i maintain that the glossy reviews will not be great, just cuz they generally aren't friendly to dance music, just like the mainstream u.s. scene isn't. for the rapture i think it'll be a big in nyc, la and europe situation. elsewhere they won't do shit.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 15 May 2003 18:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Jockey Slut and Muzik over here are creaming themselves non stop about all the DFA stuff, partly because they're dying to promote a big new trend for dance music I suppose which might be irritating except that in fairness they're not going about it in the annoying "this is the new dance music" way which less informed stuff inevitably will once it breaks big.

But they are doing the whole creating terms like "disco pogo" and using "punkfunk" on every page almost in an effort to make it seem a huge event. I think they're anxious to be more up to speed with this than they were with electroclash.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 15 May 2003 18:10 (twenty-three years ago)

...the dfa will no longer be able to maintain this air of mystery and they'll become just another pair of studio heads and the dfa as we know it will die.

I think that depends wholly on the quality and fabric of the records they decide to drop, but it's an interesting thought.

― scott m (mcd), Thursday, 15 May 2003 18:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Anthony Wilson had this great quote at the SXSW talk about how not seeking publicity was fantastic until the novelty wore off (circa about 1981-82 or so). It'd prolly be reasonable to assume that DFA is gonna hit the same sort of wall, but hey, they can deal with it when it happens.

I was pretty impressed by how well the Ratpure pulled off the sound of the record when they played live. Obviously, I can see why jim & tim love working with them... they seem pretty malleable, and I don't mean that in a bad sort of way.

The guy at the merch table said late summer for a release date, btw, and even that sounded kind of tentative. I do wonder what the delay is? Seems like it'd be a perfect summer record. Is their international distribution REALLY that hard to sort out?

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 15 May 2003 18:16 (twenty-three years ago)

There are deals afoot, Aaron. The date's gone from late May to June to now August, from what I've heard. But yeah, some majors are not only courting the Rapture but the DFA as a whole, which would obviously be tough. It's hard to see how the DFA's current inconspicuous approach would mesh with the demands of the likes of Iovine, Davis, etc.

And yeah, the Rapture does seem malleable in a good way. We need more bands who don't respect their own sound and style as much as they should (see my Calla thread).

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 15 May 2003 18:21 (twenty-three years ago)

the unwritten law against releasing indie rock records while school's out must be remembered also

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 15 May 2003 18:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Isn't Trevor Jackson just dying to release all this stuff on Output in the UK and get the kudos though?

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 15 May 2003 18:24 (twenty-three years ago)

very true blount. as odd as it sounds, cmj still matters in some worlds!

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 15 May 2003 18:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Weird that they'd want to go that route, Yanc3y. Bet they must be getting some phat deals coming their way though.

The thing that worries me... if Alan McGee taught us anything, it's that once you make your deal with the major, you're gonna sell loads more records but it's basically all over.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 15 May 2003 18:30 (twenty-three years ago)

It's sort of what Roc-a-fella and No Limit did, brought their own marketing/pr methods to daddy major.

― scott m (mcd), Thursday, 15 May 2003 18:43 (twenty-three years ago)

i love Musik

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 15 May 2003 18:51 (twenty-three years ago)

I just checked this thread and apparently nobody has mentioned it, so I will...to my surprise, because I'm shocked nobody has mentioned Thom Yorke as a vocal influence/touchstone here. "Open Up Your Heart" may indeed have the whole Bowie "Five Years" thing going but vocally it reminds me of nothing so much as a variant of "Karma Police"/"Rabbit In Your Headlights"...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 16 May 2003 00:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Rapture backlash begins... now!

― slutsky (slutsky), Friday, 16 May 2003 01:10 (twenty-three years ago)

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