pitchfork is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)

He belongs on the list but their example for Pimp C is just a line he borrowed from LL Cool J!

good to see kool keith and mf doom on there but where the hell is odb

i, uh, think they might have messed up the score on the jiggy in jersey review

they fixed it lol (it showed 0.0, i swear)

maybe it will get bigger but it's absolutely insane to me that this trash magazine is not running with the large top of the fold news about Gary Young

the NYT of music journalism

Yeah, I was surprised how low it was when they posted it last night. Looks like it’s moved up a few notches, but still… this is Gary f’in Young!! (Guess Dolly reuniting Paul and Ringo takes the prize)

Quite a Mojo-ation going on: the news pieces I see at the top of the page are about Dolly Parton/The Beatles, Gary Young, DJ Shadow, Talking Heads, Gun'n'Roses and Green Day plus a couple about young whiper-snappers like Mac DeMarco and the National

This 10.0 album wouldn’t exist without the guy (even if the review was taken down for some reason)

ha ha taken down because Ott wanted a pay-out iirc

It’s wild that there is currently no review of S&E on Pitchfork.com

I guess maybe it's odd that they didn't review the 30th-anniversary reissue from last year, but if that hadn't come out, I wouldn't think it unusual that they didn't have a review of an album that came out three years before the site started.

well, Pavement is kind of a quintessential Pitchfork band. And they've gone back to review tons of albums that came out before the site started. This is an odd case because there was a 10.0 review that was scrubbed because the author was kicking up a fuss.

Yeah seems like a quirk of circumstance; maybe they’ll give it a Sunday review eventually (although I kinda like the lacuna effect in a way).

it's totally insane and speaks volumes that there's no review. they're going back and reviewing old stuff all the time

the famous shit cat review is of a reissue of an album that came out in 1962.

i guess it just proves that they're a shit music site

Oh, I missed the Ott thing. Yes, Pitchfork reviews old albums all the time with the Sunday Review, although I get the impression that one of the main goals of the SR is to expand the canon beyond the site's 90s indie-rock roots. So Pavement might not be top of the list for the same reason that a Mariah Carey single replaced "Gold Soundz" as Pitchfork's #1 song of the 90s.

Wow… S&E was #70 on last year’s list of The 150 Best Albums of the 1990s(!!)

I guess times have changed…

Things done changed on this side.
Remember they used to slack? Now they dance, right?

no they Teams probably

I guess I missed it or forgot when that list came out last year, because dang… that goes far beyond the scope of revisionism that I anticipated to find (I thought it would be top 5 at least).

yeah that's pretty fucked up

The Gary Young item has now dropped to the second row of "More From Pitchfork" (mixed in with a mishmash of news & features from the past month). I think that stinks!

Forgive me if I'm misremembering, but wasn't this a fuckin top-of-page item last year?: https://pitchfork.com/news/snacks-bethany-cosentinos-pet-cat-and-best-coast-album-cover-star-has-died/

sadly, you have to have a bunch of rip tweets from famous people to keep the prime Pitchfork real estate

"sorry Gary, Snacks the cat pushed forward the discourse man, you just... don't"

The orange Maine Coon

Addison Rae’s “I Got It Bad” Is Pretty Good

terrific headline

I was surprised when they reviewed Terror Twilight *twice* in the last few years. Seemed to me a bit like old habits (Pavement love) dying hard.

it's somewhat understandable because the first was a sunday review, then the second was the reissue with new bonus material

The Lyle Lovett review is really good. I loved that album in high school.

Both those Terror Twilight reviews are really good, fwiw

it's somewhat understandable because the first was a sunday review, then the second was the reissue with new bonus material

That was the surprise though - at least one other album (can't remember which now) had a deluxe version that they passed over because they'd already done the Sunday review. Since then the Cure's Wish has also been understandably neglected this way (the gap between the Sunday review and the deluxe was only half a year).

I wonder why there wasn’t a Sunday review today.

They sent out an email with links to 10 archival Sunday reviews and a note saying "This weekend, we’re taking a quick summer break to bring you our editors’ picks of 10 of our favorite Sunday Reviews from this year: an all-star ’80s country collaboration, the first Sunday Review of an EP, a ’90s Tejano classic, a singer who helped shaped half a century of pop music, the biggest classic rock album of all-time, and more."

Ah, thanks. I never signed up for their emails.

I didn’t know they did emails

I’ve tried following them on social media, but they just continuously post links to old features/reviews

Today’s Siamese Dream review has some really great parts… I didn’t realize Pfork had never tackled it. I do wish the piece had spent more time talking about other songs and how the album flows, etc.; and less time on Billy interview quotes and lyric discussion.

Also, thought these bits were curious:

Whether it was Perry Farrell of Jane’s Addiction, Pearl Jam, or, most famously, Kurt Cobain, he barely let an interview go by without mentioning one of his bêtes noires.

Whatever he said about Cobain, it never registered with me… as opposed to his snipes at Pavement, which I thought were surely his most “famous”(?)

Despite a few surface provocations to heavy metal’s machismo, “alternative” was still largely masculine, defined by heavy, menacing sounds and bellowing vocals. Pearl Jam had dared to soften up on Vs. with rough acoustic strummers like “Daughter,” and Kurt Cobain threw a cello into Nirvana’s discordant sound for In Utero, but Corgan arranged “Disarm” like he was furnishing the drawing room in an 18th-century castle: a string arrangement, church bells, a tympani.

Maybe this is pedantic, but those other two albums came out after SD… this makes it sound like they preceded it.

Finally, I wish they had used the original album cover rather than the reissue art (…even though I prefer listening to the remaster!).

Yeah, I hate the revised album art. The original cover is so perfect, easily the best Pumpkins artwork. Then it had to get all Billy’d up. Sigh.

Also, considering how the piece sets up as its theme that "the real story of Siamese Dream is the story of a sound," and spends the next paragraph focusing on the influence of MBV, it feels like a missed opportunity not to note that after months of obsessive recording, Corgan & Vig were too wiped out to mix the album – so they handed it off to MBV/shoegaze guy Alan Moulder.

I know these retrospective reviews don't have to function as Wikipedia entries – and this one seems to deliberately want to move away from the usual focus on the circumstances of Siamese Dream's production (which is totally fair) – but I think a few more lines on those details would have bolstered its own premise.

(Sorry, I have a lot of thoughts on this album!)

Today’s Siamese Dream review has some really great parts… I didn’t realize Pfork had never tackled it.

They had - Ned did a joint review of the 2011 Gish and Siamese Dream reissues. Is this the first time the "not in our archives" rule has been bended to mean "as a standalone review"?

Oh, apologies to Ned… will look back at that. Wonder if he mentioned MBV! ;)

i’m dredging this up from memory so it could be apocryphal or straight up wrong but one of my favorite stories about the siamese dream sessions is corgan recording “mayonaise” on a guitar that went out of tune as soon as he started playing it, which was apparently responsible for that horrible/wonderful feedback sound in the chorus

also my sunday review of jimmy eat world’s clarity replaced an old bad review so like “not in our archives” has been extremely flexible for a while

yeah, the story is it was a cheap guitar that created that weird sound whenever he stopped playing it. the other great "mayonaise" story is that he got the title from "looking in the refrigerator"

Glad it’s not called “Pickles.”

also my sunday review of jimmy eat world’s clarity replaced an old bad review so like “not in our archives” has been extremely flexible for a while

Yeah but I thought replacing reviews that were pulled from the site years ago (because 90s or Ott) was the only flexibility. Regardless I'm all for one publication offering several perspectives on the same record.

Ned gave SD a 10, so this new review is a downgrade

Is this… serious/major touring season? (Maybe it is. I don’t go to many shows these days.)

Had to look at the site for context, but yeah, it's kinda bonkers out there, everyone is touring at once. Though that thing on Fork is pretty loose with the definition of "tour," or even "most anticipated."