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i'm not gonna go to hard when it comes to defending bill evans though. or chick corea! they don't really require defending.

with keith, i dunno. i'm probably unfair to him. i actively AVOID listening to his records. i guess he rubs me the wrong way. i have listened to some of the solo stuff. inoneearoutanother. kinda.

also i kinda feel bad that there are all these records with dewey redman on them that i don't listen to.

This conversation got me to pull out my copy of Chick Corea - Return to Forever (the bird record). It's such a nice chill record, worlds removed from the Al Di Meola years. Might be time for another ECM listening party.

Crystal Silence with Gary Burton is queued up next

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Not from me but definitely controversial! And demonstratively wrong.

There's no controversy there, that guy is a fucking dumbass.

Maybe controversial to us, but to simpletons that's conventional wisdom.

here’s an opinion, prob not controversial around here: “creep” by radiohead is cooked, done, kaput. whatever emotional resonance it once might’ve had is now lost. i wish people would stop covering it, singing it at karaoke, etc.

Eh, Thom's voice still sends me.

here’s an opinion, prob not controversial around here: “creep” by radiohead is cooked, done, kaput. whatever emotional resonance it once might’ve had is now lost. i wish people would stop covering it, singing it at karaoke, etc.

― ludicrously capacious bag (voodoo chili)

Here's an opinion: "Creep" sucks.

Is there a thread for “when the band’s worst song is its most popular”?

"Creep" is far from being Radiohead's worst song. I submit into evidence...everything they've released post-Hail to the Thief (and half of that album).

That’s like 99% of music though

I mean “when the band’s worst song is its most popular”

"Creep" is by far my favorite Radiohead song. especially that MTV beach party version.

kinda like how "Loser" is the only Beck song that I really like. or ever want to hear. i'm always happy when i hear "Creep" or "Loser" on the radio. So sue me!

Check your mail.

“Creep” pretty much the only R@di0head song I have time for, as well

Keith Jarrett is great all haters cut bait

lol yeah. jarrett haters, you're weirdos, i don't make the rules.

I don't know if I can fully put into words my distaste for Bill Evans, because I find his music so dull that I can't even give it sufficient attention to decide what might be good about it. I slide right off the surface of it.

I understand this position even if I disagree with it about as strongly as possible. Where are you at with other west coast jazz? Wes Montgomery? Brubeck? Stan Kenton? People talk a lot about the communication between Evans & both La Faro and Gomez but for me it's his extensions and voicing -- his playing, really, but often when we get excited about playing it's because of speed or power or palpable technical facility. Evans in his harmonic sensibility to me is like a very chilled out Bud Powell

I had to scroll up to see who was being responded to and wasn’t able to guess correctly even though the answer was hiding in plain sight.

I like Bill Evans and the classic trio plenty, but I have even heard some jazz people…not criticize him exactly but say things like some of the stuff he was doing actually came from Blossom Dearie and that some other pianists like Don Friedman were… freer maybe.

https://www.vinylmeplease.com/blogs/magazine/blossom-dearie-liners

that's super cool to me though -- Frishberg as the source gives me a huge smile

Yes, had forgotten about that.

I mean it's not really a knock, just some extra perspective.

takeaway: Blossom Dearie rules

(not controversial)

i wish people would stop covering it, singing it at karaoke, etc.

suspect the reason so many ppl cover this and sing it at karaoke is the octave leap into the bridge sounds impressive but isn't actually that high.

Where are you at with other west coast jazz? Wes Montgomery? Brubeck? Stan Kenton?

I like Montgomery, but I always, always reach for Grant Green first. My real arch-nemesis in the world of jazz guitar is Jim "shh...someone might hear you" Hall. Brubeck I like in small doses; I keep meaning to buy the box that has all five Time albums and really dive in. The only thing I've ever heard by Stan Kenton is City of Glass, which is great. I like Stan Getz's 1950s records a lot.

When it comes to pianists, my pantheon (non-free division, obviously) is guys like Hampton Hawes, Red Garland, Wynton Kelly, Ahmad Jamal, Horace Silver, even Randy Weston...guys with some weight behind them. I'm not a big fan of really fast players like Oscar Peterson (despite the Getz connection) or Art Tatum or Bud Powell, though I can appreciate what they do.

I saw Blossom Dearie once and had a blast. I don't know why the editor who sent me thought I was the guy for the job, but it was a lot of fun.

“creep” is horrible, Radiohead didn’t get good until track 11 of ok computer

xxxxp Corea was also good w Mongo Santamaria, Miles Davis, and the brief-lived, fecund Circle--freebirds all, even him:

This article is about the American jazz band. For the Finnish rock band, see Circle (Finnish band).
Circle was an American avant garde jazz ensemble, active in 1970 and 1971.[1] The group arose from pianist Chick Corea's early 1970s trio with Dave Holland on bass and Barry Altschul on drums and percussion with the addition of Anthony Braxton in a leading role on several reed instruments.[2] The group's earliest (and only studio) recordings were made in 1970 for the Blue Note label but not released until 1975 under Corea's name. A live double album appeared on the ECM label in 1972. These recordings document a period in which Corea's work was steeped in the jazz 'avant garde,' prior to his complete shift to the jazz fusion orientation. Corea, Holland and Altschul also recorded the album, A.R.C. for ECM in 1971, but it was not released under the band name Circle.[3]

Discography
Circle 1: Live in Germany Concert (CBS/Sony Japan, 1970) – originally released under Circle's name, CD reissue released under Chick Corea's name
Circle 2: Gathering (CBS/Sony Japan, 1971) – originally released under Circle's name, CD reissue released under Chick Corea's name.
Paris Concert (ECM, 1972) – recorded in 1971
Circling In (Blue Note, 1975) – recorded in 1970. originally released under Chick Corea's name with additional tracks from Corea's earlier recordings. The Circle tracks were also released as Early Circle (1992).
Circulus (Blue Note, 1978) – recorded in 1970. originally released under Chick Corea's name.

My real arch-nemesis in the world of jazz guitar is Jim "shh...someone might hear you" Hall.

Guess you haven’t heard his records with Art Farmer (with Walter Perkins on drums, later one of Brötzmann’s greatest duo partners) or Sonny Rollins. I don’t love Jim Hall, or anyone who isn’t Sharrock or Bailey, for that matter, but there’s an introspection to his approach that keeps it from being pointlessly ornamental.

As for Evans, I wouldn’t seek out his records as a leader, but he’s fine with Miles. I vastly prefer him to the too-tinkly Red Garland, but definitely prefer Wynton Kelly to both Garland and Evans.

My controversial opinion:

Although there are many great remixes, more often than not the original version is better.

Or to take it one step further, there are a whole lot of not great remixes.

Guess you haven’t heard his records with Art Farmer (with Walter Perkins on drums, later one of Brötzmann’s greatest duo partners) or Sonny Rollins.

No, but I did get to see him play with Rollins once (at Rollins' 80th birthday concert).

i'm not quite sure what this is, but it's on my 'Jazz or Non-Jazz?' playlist. One of the reissues of it credited Corea as the bandleader. Return to Forever is great and all but in another lifetime he might have given John Carpenter a run for his money. i'd dl the entire Chick Corea discography off soulseek in that parallel universe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA3WxwS6XxE

the extended version of 'life in a glasshouse' is better than anything else radiohead has done this century

invalid for a century containing "Weird Fishes/Arpeggi"

much to consider

"To Ramona" by Bob Dylan is the most boring song ever and no, I don't care how good the lyrics are. I'd never heard the original until this morning: a minute and a half into the song I said out loud, "Oh fuck off", and turned it off.

Are there any songs on Another Side of Bob Dylan you don't find boring?

Never heard it. I don't listen to Bob Dylan albums as a rule.

Ok. Just curious why that song. To Romona is not exactly a big hit even among Dylan fans. But, ya know, its American folk music. A pretty big portion of American folk music has the basic formula of that song.

It's mostly because I've always really liked the third Flying Burrito Brothers album but it's disfigured by a cover of this dreary dirge and I kind of resent the fact that it's on there. Then I was listening to a Lee Hazlewood album the other day and he covered it too and I'm like, "Not this shite again!" It turns the original is even drearier than the covers into the bargain.

(xp) I gobble up 30 verse nine minute Martin Carthy (et al) trad. folk tunes but I just don't like Dylan doing the same thing.

I think To Ramona has potential - Sinead Lohan's version isn't bad.

When I play it, which I sometimes do, I cut out a lot of the more stilted backward phrasing and lose one or more verses.

Totally agree that His Bobness often lacks an inner editor, and the people surrounding him are not empowered to tell him when he's making a mistake.

does this version grab ya? It sorta has that California country sound

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPxNc34tUpI

Better.