milton babbitt 'who cares if you listen?' also s/d

Berio’s not really a serialist, is he?

I totally get you, Melomane, in that I sense not a great deal of commonality between eg Boulez(ians) and Babbitt(ians) re approach to serialism. I guess the Book on this says that the US was more directly downstream from Schönberg (as he moved there), while the Euros worshipped Webern to a possible fault – but that certainly doesn't explain it all. I suspect the (Schönberg -> ) Sessions? -> Babbitt axis may be an actual Thing unrelated *in principle* to the Boulez/Stockhausen/Maderna/Nono tradition... but then again, I read this post over, and realize I do not actually have any clue. Would love be able to read 22nd-century music historians on this. :-D

lesser-known serialists like Paavo Heininen or Gunnar Berg.

ooh thanks for tips! Years ago, a friend of mine sent me a youtube of an extremely beautiful orchestral (or chamber?) composition by Bo Nilsson, which I now cannot seem to find. Also, Karel Goeyvaerts.

(xp) He was in the 50s.

Lesser known serialists I like include Nikos Skalkottas. I also like when composers who weren't serialists dabbled in it, like Britten or Ginastera.

Berio was definitely a serialist. His 1950s works like the String Quartet and Alleluja are almost doctrinaire examples of Darmstadt serialism. Even if later works feature considerably more varied approaches, Points on the Curve to Find, for example, famously uses a repeating ten-tone row.

the documentary was fantastic

I also like when composers who weren't serialists dabbled in it, like Britten or Ginastera.

Yes! Not to mention the biggest fish of them all, Stravinsky!