Woah ten years.
Have I got so old that I suck at searching, have I got so old that all search functionality has been wingclipped, or is the second string quartet actually impossible to stream on like Spotify and YouTube? I have a local copy, but.
― anatol_merklich, Saturday, 29 July 2023 03:56 (ten months ago) link
Documentary mentioned on 2012-11-02 still works though! :D
― anatol_merklich, Saturday, 29 July 2023 04:10 (ten months ago) link
(possibly 2012-11-01 for usonian time zones?)
It's good that doc is still working!
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 29 July 2023 09:16 (ten months ago) link
milton babbitt is the part in the serialism bible where i go grab a beer
I laughed to read this. I’m a huge fan of Darmstadt serialism, and I own a vast library of not only Boulez, Nono, Berio etc. recordings but also lesser-known serialists like Paavo Heininen or Gunnar Berg. But I never did get around to checking out Babbitt, and I wonder if the reputation he developed has subconsciously discouraged me.
― Melomane, Saturday, 29 July 2023 09:20 (ten months ago) link
Berio’s not really a serialist, is he?
― Moritz von Oswald von Wolkenstein (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 29 July 2023 13:54 (ten months ago) link
I totally get you, Melomane, in that I sense not a great deal of commonality between eg Boulez(ians) and Babbitt(ians) re approach to serialism. I guess the Book on this says that the US was more directly downstream from Schönberg (as he moved there), while the Euros worshipped Webern to a possible fault – but that certainly doesn't explain it all. I suspect the (Schönberg -> ) Sessions? -> Babbitt axis may be an actual Thing unrelated *in principle* to the Boulez/Stockhausen/Maderna/Nono tradition... but then again, I read this post over, and realize I do not actually have any clue. Would love be able to read 22nd-century music historians on this. :-D
lesser-known serialists like Paavo Heininen or Gunnar Berg.
ooh thanks for tips! Years ago, a friend of mine sent me a youtube of an extremely beautiful orchestral (or chamber?) composition by Bo Nilsson, which I now cannot seem to find. Also, Karel Goeyvaerts.
― anatol_merklich, Saturday, 29 July 2023 16:45 (ten months ago) link
(xp) He was in the 50s.
― Continuous Two-Tone Warble (Tom D.), Saturday, 29 July 2023 17:40 (ten months ago) link
Lesser known serialists I like include Nikos Skalkottas. I also like when composers who weren't serialists dabbled in it, like Britten or Ginastera.
― Moritz von Oswald von Wolkenstein (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 29 July 2023 17:57 (ten months ago) link
Berio was definitely a serialist. His 1950s works like the String Quartet and Alleluja are almost doctrinaire examples of Darmstadt serialism. Even if later works feature considerably more varied approaches, Points on the Curve to Find, for example, famously uses a repeating ten-tone row.
― Melomane, Saturday, 29 July 2023 18:32 (ten months ago) link
the documentary was fantastic
― budo jeru, Saturday, 29 July 2023 23:14 (ten months ago) link
I also like when composers who weren't serialists dabbled in it, like Britten or Ginastera.
Yes! Not to mention the biggest fish of them all, Stravinsky!
― anatol_merklich, Saturday, 29 July 2023 23:31 (ten months ago) link