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Neil Peart ruined Rush.

Rush ruined Neil Peart.

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Janet's Unbreakable is wonderful.

Just wanted to add that my 11-year old son is a Michael Jackson fan. So he still seems to have some currency with the youth.

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Thousands ? Now, that's controversial.

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Lol ok, if it’s strictly pop remove a zero: Hundreds. There must be at least 100 pop artists with 3 good albums in a run.

What is the parameter though? Is Missy pop or hip hop? What about the Beatles or the Beach Boys?

Michael Jackson is by far and away the most popular "heritage" act with my younger (18-25) dancers. I don't play anything of his stuff post-Thriller bcz REASONS, so his biggest 10 tracks are, in descending order: Billie Jean, Thriller, Don't Stop TYGE, I Want You Back, Blame It On The Boogie, Rock With You, Shake Your Body (DTTG), Wanna Be Startin Somethin, ABC, Off The Wall. (I've never played Beat It, although I probably should. And I've never played Can You Feel It, because I don't care for it much.)

You can't feel it?

lol

i feel like the janet > michael argument is harder to make if you factor in the classic jackson five singles

Sadly, the only Janet singles that work with my crowd are "Together Again" and the CJ Mackintosh remix of "The Best Things In Life Are Free". You'd have thought that at least "When I Think Of You" and "All For You" would have been fine, but nah.

i feel like the jam/lewis and new jack swing/riley type of production feels kind of archaic now

(cue Fairlight orchestra stab)

Exactly this. None of it lands for me at all.

that sound will be back in...3 years. mark my words. and janet will get a year-long victory parade of 40th anniversary control hall of fame grammy beyonce tributes and a world tour with kate bush.

A&M should have given the publicity push to Rosie Vela's Zazu in 1986 that Control received instead.

"archaic" is description, not criticism, though. All art sounds archaic a minute from now.

oh yeah then why does this danny tenaglia dance set from 1999 that i'm listening to right now sound like it could have been made YESTERDAY in romania?

i disagree though. all art does not sound archaic a minute from now. not that it matters. to me.

Calling something "dated" is a pet peeve.

i didn't mean it as a criticism necessarily, i like a lot of that stuff

i just have a sense that pneumatic pump thing might hit people the wrong way right now

whereas i don't think "beat it" has ever not sounded amazing to me, or anyone....man those records sound like a million bucks

I'm not picking on you, ums. It's possible to dislike Janet's mid '80s stuff because you don't like the way the programmed drums sound -- I can't stand the Steve Stevens solo on MJ's "Dirty Diana! But they're not bad because they're dated.

"Dated" is just an easy way to say "sounds both old and bad".

I think “dated” is by definition pejorative

It strongly implies “out of fashion”, whereas “timeless” (it could have been made today/its sound is still in fashion) or “classic” (it evokes positive associations of a specific era) do not

i think all music can sound dated or not depending on the time, how it strikes you....also like i dunno what's more dated sounding than the byrds, which i was just listening to and loving, you practically see super 8 home movies on command when you hear it

i could totally see a new jack swing revival, everything comes back around, but i think it's a little bit, how to put it...four on the four pumping...maybe for kids who were raised on post-atlanta trap stuff with super hi hat and kick/snare syncopation with more gauzy textures over the time like post metro boomin stuff or whatever (generalizing here) like an extreme example would be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC5GqbCtxbM

vs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avFq9errZCk

I could see how to someone raised on the former how this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n9HhmX36Gk

might hit better than the janet song

not trying to make value judgments about what's best just get at how maybe a younger listener might find it harder to listen to

shit raised on the latter, i hate when i fuck that up

also like i dunno what's more dated sounding than the byrd

This is the point I raise often to piss people off. A certain Rickenbacker sound from 1965 is never dated but syndrums always are.

...but that doesn't stop me from loving "Feels Like I'm In Love by Kelly Marie. Pew! Pew!

Every decade has it's dated shit, but the '80s always get hit hardest.

the best music i've heard in the last month is also the most dated. got The Equalizer dvd boxed set and all that stewart copeland shit is so 80s you can almost figure out the WEEK he recorded it but man do i love it a lot. (you might know the theme but the incidental stuff is where its at.)

It's the tyranny of that overly loud gated THWOCK that puts people off Jam & Lewis/new jack swing, I reckon. Gated is dated!

I think there is a wide semantic difference between “dated” and “of an era”

i'm more interested in how rhythmic language changes over time, like why it might not hit for people used to a certain rhythmic language, not really value judgment either way...i mean i love the classic post run-dmc def jam stark drum machine sound but it's probably kind of primitive to someone who wasn't raised on it

like kids raised on post trap stuff are used to way more complex rhythms than a lot of stuff i was raised on

Every decade has it's dated shit, but the '80s always get hit hardest.

This is because the parameters of The Discourse were set by Sixties People. Reject the aesthetics of the retirement home!

A certain Rickenbacker sound from 1965 is never dated but syndrums always are.

True, McGuinn barely played 12-string on the Byrds 1973 reunion album.

I think there is a wide semantic difference between “dated” and “of an era”

― the new drip king (DJP),

Surely this sound was dated in 1976

Just in time for both Tom Petty and The Jam to bring it back into style!

all those 70s powerpoppers kept playing them.

...and wondering why they weren't getting played on the radio like they would have in 1965.

then the syndrums came

Every decade has it's dated shit, but the '80s always get hit hardest.

This is because the parameters of The Discourse were set by Sixties People. Reject the aesthetics of the retirement home!

There's a technological reason too, I think. The eighties got the flood of affordable digital gadgets, and it took a while to sort out how to use them most effectively. And 70s records are the zenith of electrical analog recording, a culmination of engineering starting forty years before, with multitrack recording finally accessible down the food chain. So the 80s are kinda like the 20/30s, you give the recordings a bit of leeway sometimes, and the tone can sound comical to those who haven't acclimatized.

Pour one out for the 80s - maybe some day that sound will come back.

"...and wondering why they weren't getting played on the radio like they would have in 1965."

they were played on the radio a lot in the u.s. badfinger, raspberries, tons of bands. all the way to the knack. and just in time for the 80s and an entire decade of people who wanted to sound like the byrds.

Big Star certainly weren't, and I always had the impression that both Badfinger and the Raspberries were regarded as commercial disappointments. By the time of "American Girl", though, the sound was coming in-vogue again.

badfinger were huge. not every power pop band is big star. abba were not big star. but they were big. stars.

Anyway, my point is just to counter the idea that rock fans never considered any kind, style or sound of rock dated.

i refuse to go along with this revisionism that says that people weren't successful in the 70s by ripping off the beatles just because big star were on a label with no money. people totally were. you should talk to Bread about all the fat checks they cashed in the 70s.

(i mean i don't know what guitars everyone used in the 70s but glam rock alone...The Sweet were a massively successful power pop band who were in love with the beatles. most glam is just beatles with funnier shoes.)