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Another angle I am seeing on this is from folks who say that critics should have ignored the song and video because calling it out just gives it more attention and encourages more conservatives to embrace Aldean for a song that wasn't initially doing well. Not sure I buy that. I don't think ignoring a hateful song and video by a big star is a good approach and will make the song and the message disappear from the country music world. Ignoring it might have lessened the chance of crossover attention, but I think CMT only dropped the video because of the attention (and yeah I get that people can see video elsewhere and hear the song elsewhere).

Lefsetz in his email is pushing the line that the left should just ignore the hate -- Don't be knee-jerk, think about this. Stop amplifying heinous behavior. You're only emboldening believers. If you don't talk about it, it doesn't exist. Now people know more about Jason Aldean than they do about Biden and his economic policies, something the left has been trying to amplify for weeks under the label "Bidenomics." Once again, the left has lost the battle. Will it lose the war? Yes, if it continues to turn nothingburgers into conflagrations.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 22 July 2023 19:38 (ten months ago) link

I will say it really speaks to something about the right wing for this guy to sing a track that has a key moment where it's anti-gun reform, a guy who probably just missed out on getting killed on stage in the worst gun massacre in US history. Still fighting for the rights of guys like St*ph*n P*dd*ck after all that.

omar little, Saturday, 22 July 2023 19:43 (ten months ago) link

I think Isbell is giving this chud way too much credit obv and probably attempting to debate him on deeper points is def beside the point.

omar little, Saturday, 22 July 2023 19:44 (ten months ago) link

Can't imagine Isbell giving much of a shit about sacred Nashville traditions, the old timers he associates himself with were songwriters.

papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 22 July 2023 20:13 (ten months ago) link

Lefsetz is such a numbnuts

Empty Tushy Fills (morrisp), Saturday, 22 July 2023 20:21 (ten months ago) link

when does cmt even air videos? late night? (a quick perusal of the schedule online suggests they're aired between 4 and 9am...) from the billboard 'exclusive' article revealing it had been pulled: "It is unclear how many times CMT played the video before pulling it on Monday," i.e. they weren't actually monitoring video play on the network themselves + were likely tipped off to the removal by someone who cared enough to pay attention, which frankly was almost no one until the story broke

dyl, Saturday, 22 July 2023 21:04 (ten months ago) link

As someone who has lived many years in small towns, I notice that their cops do get shot by other local residents, hardly ever by people from cities, except occasionally those in the same metro area (not like all those sinister aliens on The Andy Griffith Show).

dow, Sunday, 23 July 2023 00:08 (ten months ago) link

Although maybe somebody will now compare statistics (not me). Of course it's also about how to deal with with such an event. (My thoughts, the end)(dyl has covered most of them).

dow, Sunday, 23 July 2023 00:11 (ten months ago) link

Regardless of statistics and debates on same, point of course is that Aldean presents a false dichotomy. Thank yew and good night.

dow, Sunday, 23 July 2023 00:15 (ten months ago) link

FWIW, Aldean is from Macon, which is not a particularly small town. I guess he's just singing about the small town in all of our hearts. Well, maybe not all of us ...

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 23 July 2023 00:43 (ten months ago) link

The copy of Mellencamp's "Small Town" in all of our hearts.

Probably not Bronski Beat, that's for sure.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 23 July 2023 01:47 (ten months ago) link

"Try That With A Small Town Boy"

Jason Isbell's point about "fight me!"-type bullies brought back some depressing memories.

As a former resident and activist in rural Kentucky, I regularly encountered these Tough Guys who build their entire identity around the attitude expressed by “Try That In A Small Town” or numerous other songs of a similar nature – with the obligatory decals on their trucks - and I naively thought I could convince a few of them into joining efforts towards defeating the corrupt elected officials that gave huge tax incentives to multinational conglomerates in exchange for a small number of dangerous, low-paying jobs; or at least trying to fight back against the wealth-hoarding executives that ignore worker-safety laws and pollute the environment, all while harassing anyone trying to unionize (before the inevitable departure for another locale with even worse worker-safety laws).

Of course, they were not interested.

Way to stand up for your townsfolk, Tough Guys. When someone actually does “Try That” in your small town, you weak-ass shitbags roll over and lick the boots of the oppressors. You’re totally fine with having to boil your water before you drink it, or re-electing the Republican rep that denied the Medicaid expansion that would finance your kids’ health care when they got too close to the toxic sludge near the creek, but God forbid someone accidentally brush past you at the local bar, or a person of the wrong race or accent drives through your town!

Front-loaded albums are musical gerrymandering (Prefecture), Sunday, 23 July 2023 16:11 (ten months ago) link

Ugh

Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 23 July 2023 16:22 (ten months ago) link

Jason Aldean addresses racism controversy surrounding his song ‘Try That in a Small Town’ and pledges to continue performing it:

“I love our country, I want to see it restored to what it once was before all this bullshit started happening to us.” pic.twitter.com/CixDNBwret

— Pop Base (@PopBase) July 22, 2023

curmudgeon, Sunday, 23 July 2023 20:03 (ten months ago) link

So he just wants to make American great again, or something like that?

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 23 July 2023 20:07 (ten months ago) link

But the only example that Aldean offered in his defense of the song at the Cincinnati concert was something that doesn’t come up in either the lyrics or the music video: mass shootings.

“I know a lot of you guys grew up like I did,” Aldean said. “You kind of have the same values, the same principles that I have, which is we want to take our kids to a movie and not worry about some asshole coming in there shooting up the theater.


Ok, that’s common ground. If he’s sincere, he should get involved with orgs and movements against gun violence.

Empty Tushy Fills (morrisp), Sunday, 23 July 2023 20:45 (ten months ago) link

Hate to break the guy's heart, but afaict mass shootings in small towns aren't typically perpetrated by outside agents coming in to cause trouble.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 23 July 2023 21:21 (ten months ago) link

"Try That With A Small Town Boy"

lolol

underwater as a compliment (Eazy), Sunday, 23 July 2023 21:28 (ten months ago) link

Here's some music to blow the bad shit away:
Flaco, the current Flaco Jimenez studio album, has too much meh vocals overhead, but ends with a fine pair of instrumentals:

"Loa Amores Del Flaco"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNcww523gIA

"Hasta La Vista"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lx1Wm5HFiA

dow, Monday, 24 July 2023 00:25 (ten months ago) link

and omg whatever else this is, it's fun, w somewhat spacey live sound; he plays on most of it, I think, even does an accordion and voice duet w Raul---songs do not play in the order listed:

Flaco Jimenez Vs. The Mavericks---Greatest Hits 2022

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K28b70-_YnI

dow, Monday, 24 July 2023 00:33 (ten months ago) link

Does Flaco ever sing? There's one track where an agile little voice matches the accordion, don't think it's Raul----this set might sound better on YouTubeMusic, but somehow I don't want it to, at least not yet.

dow, Monday, 24 July 2023 00:36 (ten months ago) link

I had no idea Flaco was still alive. The Mavericks ... underrated? At the least Raul Malo has always been a heck of a singer.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 July 2023 02:25 (ten months ago) link

jfc this idiot bringing up mass shootings as if there wasn't just one pretty recently in a "small town" during which the cops famously sat on their hands terrified to go in while kids were being massacred

frogbs, Monday, 24 July 2023 03:15 (ten months ago) link

Hey, in our small town you don't tell our cops what to do.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 July 2023 12:22 (ten months ago) link

the Mavericks are fantastic

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 24 July 2023 16:56 (ten months ago) link

In Time was a peak: RIYL Los Lobos and early The Band, in terms of drawing all or many of their roots and interests into the signature sound---and now they've got a 10th Anniversary Deluxe Edition, with bonus tracks (Blue Vinyl Ltd. has sold out, but there's digital, CD, maybe another LP at some point)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnaoZ64VeyQ

dow, Monday, 24 July 2023 17:20 (ten months ago) link

RIYL Los Lobos and early The Band

I'd also maybe add Chris Isaak, for obvious reasons.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 July 2023 18:27 (ten months ago) link

Yeah, and I didn't mean that they ever, as far as I know, actually sounded like The Band, but, for In Time anyway, had more signs of that syncretic Big Pink process going on, drawing deeper from the well for more colors, more shades at least, not radically altering their style, but doing it in a way that seemed like a logical development and a refreshing, exciting one. Big Pink was kind of high strung, while the Mavericks and Los Lobos are usually cooler with it, taking a variety of roots etc. as a given (Exception: to me, The Mavericks En Espanol sounds like Mario Unchained, Mario practically busting a gut at a talent show, and being awesome! But I wanna hear more of The Mavericks.)

dow, Tuesday, 25 July 2023 02:47 (ten months ago) link

Also they sound like they probably like the Texas Tornadoes and some other bands and recording situations involving Flaco and Doug Sahm, who was never shy about musical variety, while always sounding unmistakably like himself (that voice, that weed)

dow, Tuesday, 25 July 2023 03:05 (ten months ago) link

And prob should have left out The Band, but yeah Isaak, so Orbison, and his Latin inspirations, whoever they were.

dow, Tuesday, 25 July 2023 03:11 (ten months ago) link

Official name: Texas Tornadoes (spellcheck making me look like Dan Quayle)

dow, Tuesday, 25 July 2023 03:16 (ten months ago) link

Now it's leaving out strikethrough! Too klever of me: sorry, Texas Tornados (as Flaco has noted,"Now there's just me and Augie, two tornados")(although Shawn Sahm pulled together at least one more album)

dow, Tuesday, 25 July 2023 03:21 (ten months ago) link

The Band

Yeah, I don't think the Mavericks sound like them at all, but at times Los Lobos sure has. Perhaps the only band I've ever heard really bring to mind the Band, intentionally. But of course, Los Lobos are pretty much capable of anything.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 25 July 2023 03:24 (ten months ago) link

So I'm disappointed in most of Flaco's latest, but Eva Ybarra's La Reina Del Accordéon rules OK! (and then some): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3F7qrqwnZ0

dow, Wednesday, 26 July 2023 02:22 (ten months ago) link

And now I see that I misplaced the acute mark in the word misspelled: should be La Reina Del Acordeón.)

"Lake of Fire" was the highlight of a mostly disappointing Bruce Robison album several years ago. He misspelled the writer's name, Christy Hays, but I tracked down her River Swimmer, which was and is a trip, though I learned how to go with the flow, how to swim it, and there's a striking, somewhat countervailing version of "Lake" on her latest, the reductively-titledSad Songs For Lonely People: there's a playful, old school country feel, as she even gets the sometimes scary steel guitar to shuffle along in a sincerely horny way: the Lake of Fire is her heart, babe, "in the dark of the light," and now it occurs to me that this is a drinking song, a having-drunken song, in which such confidences make total sense, or enough of the right kind.

Another good version of this effect comes on one of her more mumblecore productions---she's already told somebody she knows she's hard to handle but still doesn't feel doing nothing else on this long-ass day, I just wanna ride around": that's "Ride Around"---and now, she's nailed by those "White Crosses," the little ones, with "fake flowers," by the side of the road, and she's taking them personally, that's clear enough, and seems like she might have been a killed or killing traveler, perhaps both, or at least relates re tendencies. Meanwhile, the steel guitar keeps floating around the curve, its degree of brightness never entirely predictable, while she's hunched over her acoustic.

Lots of atmospheric character studies here, with enough discernible detail, and even an intriguing personal-historical Western trilogy in the home stretch (she lives in Butte, Montana).

dow, Wednesday, 26 July 2023 17:50 (ten months ago) link

new Tyler Childers video/song is gorgeous despite the video's reliance on certain tropes, also love to see Silas House was involved

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II-L8Hq0_i4

Murgatroid, Friday, 28 July 2023 19:52 (ten months ago) link

Thanks---at first, discs 2 and 3 of Childers' opus were growing on me quite a bit, then receded---but glad he's still trying---and Silas House! I enjoy his interviews, should check his books, and maybe he'll try his hand at lyrics, if he hasn't already.

Also for further study: Sara Evans, who I didn't know could be this good.

She was in the back yard
Say it was a little past nine
When her prince pulled up
A white pick-up truck…

---"Suds in the Bucket"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0K0WT9F01o

dow, Sunday, 30 July 2023 00:45 (ten months ago) link

Speaking of so many country and adjacent acts with names that start with the letter "M," My Morning Jacket just played the Newport Folk Festival and was joined at various times by Maggie Rogers, Margo Price, and Animal (from the Muppets).

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 30 July 2023 01:52 (ten months ago) link

Pop-country alert: Stumbled on this because she's playing here in a few weeks as an opening act. I was initially charmed by the blatant pseudo-Swiftness of it, thinking about how many hundreds of Swiftian writers there are yet to come. But the chorus sold me. Interesting that she's keeping a country affiliation while absorbing a lot of the stuff Swift did only after she "left" country.

Also, it's not six minutes long, it's just the song looped twice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJKlxl4yJ0M

lol from YouTube it looks like Tana Matz has been making music for 10 years and sounding like Taylor Swift the whole time.

Taylor Slow

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 2 August 2023 07:12 (ten months ago) link

x-post re: Sara Evans

She's only rarely ever been that great; "Suds in the Bucket" is (one of?) her best singles, and it's because she leans hard into the more trad-country phrasings and her thick drawl. Evans has never seemed to know what her actual strengths are: She fancies herself more of a Faith Hill / Martina McBride type when she's better suited as a Lee Ann Womack / Patty Loveless.

The covers album she released a couple of years ago is honest-to-God one of the worst albums I've ever heard. There's a particular iteration of Hell that's just Sara Evans, bleating her way through "Come On, Eileen."

jon_oh, Wednesday, 2 August 2023 11:50 (ten months ago) link

Suds in the Bucket is a certified hit, one of the best of that era for sure.

Also would like to read the think piece about how the balkanization of all other genres and musical fandom has led to a resurgence in the cultural significance of a few select (male) country stars. When was the last time 3 of the top 4 songs on the Billboard Hot 100 were male country acts?

Indexed, Wednesday, 2 August 2023 14:54 (ten months ago) link

Thanks for the xpost Evans warnings!

Finally saw this splendid 2022 work-out---get it while you can:

Terry Allen & The Panhandle Mystery Band
Season 47 Episode 4712 | 54m 6s
|

Enjoy an hour with maverick Texas singer/songwriter and artist Terry Allen and the Panhandle Mystery Band. The Guggenheim Fellowship winner performs songs from his lauded LP Just Like Moby Dick, as well as classics from his back catalog.

Aired: 01/29/22

Expires: 08/27/23

Rating: TV-G

Continuous Play Settings

Not a bad idea; there's a lot of detail in the play.

dow, Wednesday, 2 August 2023 23:23 (ten months ago) link

oops, here's link:
https://www.pbs.org/video/terry-allen-sgfb6f/

dow, Wednesday, 2 August 2023 23:25 (ten months ago) link

Deep summer bonus track from The River and The Stream, later on a Jesse Winchester tribute album, Quiet About It:
Rosanne Cash, "Biloxi"---
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDhV5SscEgc

dow, Sunday, 6 August 2023 20:43 (ten months ago) link

Maybe a controversial opinion, but I think Ro. Cash's three album run from Black Cadillac to The List to The River & The Thread is as strong as anything she's ever done, and I'm someone who thinks she already had at least 3 canon-ready albums during her commercial heyday.

jon_oh, Sunday, 6 August 2023 22:33 (ten months ago) link


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