Awesome Audiophile Snake Oil

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Jonny Ive’s first non-Apple design project is this 60k turntable. (See also FastCompany article here.)

Bittern Storm Over My Hammy (morrisp), Monday, 10 July 2023 03:01 (one year ago) link

not surprised. the token projects from design studios tend to be limited run insanely priced objects that are only purchasable by collectors but look really nice in monographs and studio portfolios

mh, Monday, 10 July 2023 03:17 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

just had a thought

I picked up a fresh vinyl copy of an album I love off my porch where it was delivered today directly after work. Toss it on the turntable, and it’s good but something’s kind of flat.

I’ve only recently moved my turntable setup to the living room and I’m thinking, ugh, this isn’t as good for listening due to different speakers, etc. but as I’m sipping an after work beer and kind of sinking into listening, wow, it’s great!

I kind of wonder if more than a wee bit of the audiophile mindset is the mental mood boost of experimenting with little tweaks here and there and the dopamine (or whatever) boost of unpacking a piece of gear and installing it primes the brain with little chemical changes. You then listen and… wow, this is different and better!

not completely foreign to any other consumer tech choice. there’s some guy out there posting how websites look much better on his new iphone every year

mh, Thursday, 31 August 2023 23:34 (one year ago) link

also I totally need a new phono amp

mh, Thursday, 31 August 2023 23:34 (one year ago) link

I honestly found a big difference upgrading

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 31 August 2023 23:36 (one year ago) link

the most technical I have gotten lately is reading that I can use a straight-line stylus on a straight tone arm, but only if it has a spherical needle

so I’m good

mh, Thursday, 31 August 2023 23:45 (one year ago) link

The saner audiophiles I know tend to enjoy tweaking equipment the way someone may enjoy working on scale models or carpentry - the work itself is part of the hobby. They’ll even do things that have nothing to do with sound but simple design or aesthetics, like a new finish. But trying out different pieces of gear and switching out parts is very much a part of it, and even if there’s only negligible gain, it’s just fun for them to work with it and try out stuff, as long as it’s not some insane luxury cost-wise.

Me, I intensely hate incorporating any excessive labor into my listening. Spending time working on equipment instead of enjoying a record has absolutely no appeal to me. I had to get a new universal player two years ago - another Oppo (which no longer makes players) - but otherwise I haven’t done anything to change the gear for my home setup since 2015.

birdistheword, Thursday, 31 August 2023 23:57 (one year ago) link

I've upgraded over the years but what I have now I'm completely content with. I spent a fair amount of time researching and also finding stuff on big discounts on Craigslist or online which was actually pretty fun.

anything above what I have now would just get into that insanity territory, hopefully nothing breaks.

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 31 August 2023 23:59 (one year ago) link

What have you got ums?

Picking up a Cambridge audio AXA35 and a pair of KEF Q350’s for 1/3 of their price second hand was a great joy. I recently paired that with a SVS SB-1000 on special and I think this is me for a few decades.

H.P, Friday, 1 September 2023 03:14 (one year ago) link

KEFs are great especially if you can find a deal

I have a Cambridge Audio as well, the CXA60, with Dali Zensor bookshelves, a HSU research subwoofer, Rotel CD player I got ridiculously cheap on eBay, and a Rega P1 turntable I've had for 20 years.... definitely in the same zone as you

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 1 September 2023 03:26 (one year ago) link

I'm really a believer in bookshelves+ a sub now, I think you have to get really huge speakers to get that kind of bass

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 1 September 2023 03:27 (one year ago) link

Ohh damn an cxa60! That’s nice.have the p1 as well but haven’t seen your speakers/sub before. It really is the perfect set up for music. The sub was such a great addition to my living room, not a bass-head at all but it adds a whole other dimension to music that you miss with just the bookshelfves. I feel like this is the perfect spot for music listening where you’re getting great sound without delving into the crazy diminishing returns that happen above this price range. That said, I don’t have much experience above this price range so my opinion is mostly confirmation bias

H.P, Friday, 1 September 2023 04:59 (one year ago) link

the KEF Q350 is special, i like them better than the LS50s i had at one point.

, Friday, 1 September 2023 11:46 (one year ago) link

In the mid-to-late 00s I had the opportunity to hear some very expensive systems - I'm talking on the order of $1M at the time. It definitely affected me. I am probably more on the audiophile end of this site (tube amps, nice DAC, etc.).

I am also into wine. There are definitely similarities between the two hobbies and manias. A lot of confirmation bias and diminishing returns going on.

In both cases, more $ will generally (though not always) get you better sound/taste, but above a certain point, as ums pointed out, the amount you have to spend to get something better becomes ridiculous.

In both cases, I like to think I am still reasonable - I still believe in science. I don't have the confidence/hubris to assume I could always tell two relatively equivalent products apart in an A/B test, especially as I am now past 50. Also, I can acknowledge that, at least with tube amps, there are extra-musical factors that play a role in my enjoyment.

One thing I absolutely believe in is buying gear used (other than maybe a turntable). Your money goes a lot further. Vintage stuff can be great as well.

My latest irrationality is now mildly wanting a refurbished Garrard 301 transcription turntable which are $$$$, but so freaking cool.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 1 September 2023 12:22 (one year ago) link

kind of surprised i didn't order/demo a bunch of speakers during the pandemmy. second hand PSB Images going strong.

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 1 September 2023 12:45 (one year ago) link

buying gear used (other than maybe a turntable).

Why's this? I mean, get a new stylus. My Realistic Lab 390 i got at a yard sale for $10 is doing great. I would have to spend at least $500 to match it with a new table?

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 1 September 2023 12:48 (one year ago) link

granted it would've been i dunno, $100 on eBay? Easily worth it

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 1 September 2023 12:49 (one year ago) link

I did say maybe. Not opposed to it across the board, but turntables are more delicate than most gear and can be fiddly. If you're knowledgeable enough to clean it and fix any issues, go for it.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 1 September 2023 12:52 (one year ago) link

Beats working on old amps ime. Though I put up with that too. My Kenwood C2 preamp ought to outlive me.

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 1 September 2023 12:55 (one year ago) link

Yeah, I sent the Audio Research SP-9 I inherited from my uncle back to the company for repairs a couple of years ago. I probably should have attempted it myself, but I'm a nervous nelly.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 1 September 2023 13:15 (one year ago) link

I follow someone on twitter who has been reading through speaker nerd forums and picking up sweet deals on facebook marketplace and similar spots and some of the oddball small speaker manufacturers created some interesting stuff!

mh, Friday, 1 September 2023 13:21 (one year ago) link

I'd like to hear what a magnepan speaker sounds like. Must need a sub in the system?

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 1 September 2023 13:29 (one year ago) link

i will never take stereo advice from a wine person, sorry

budo jeru, Friday, 1 September 2023 13:29 (one year ago) link

xxxp It's great when you can find official service for decades old gear. I had my father in law's Quad gear re-capped by a place not too far from him that the company directed me to. Not cheap but much nicer than I would have managed, and equivalent modern gear.

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 1 September 2023 13:31 (one year ago) link

funny seeing posts from "PBKR" makes me wish i could buy a Pabst around here.

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 1 September 2023 13:33 (one year ago) link

always makes me think of North Korea

budo jeru, Friday, 1 September 2023 13:38 (one year ago) link

I have a Linn LP12. It sometimes amuses me that I use this to play Discharge records

Colonel Poo, Friday, 1 September 2023 13:39 (one year ago) link

I'd like to hear what a magnepan speaker sounds like. Must need a sub in the system?

The guy I knew back in the day had Magnepan 20.7s in a 5.x or 7.x av system and sometimes in a second two-channel system. They are magical when it comes to vocals. He definitely used subs in the av system; don't recall in the two channel.

Magnepan's are notorious for needing a ton of power (4ohm speakers and 86db sensitivity on the 20.7s).

i will never take stereo advice from a wine person, sorry

― budo jeru, Friday, September 1, 2023 9:29 AM (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I get it. I swear I'm not one of those guys.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 1 September 2023 13:46 (one year ago) link

I’ll have to find the pictures I took, but I did pop open the Pioneer CS-A700 speakers that were passed down from my dad. I was thinking about re-capping them but those speakers have a couple level adjustment knobs to do EQ for different components, and the way they did that was by having a separate circuit chain for each setting so it’s… a lot of components. The crazy thing is that they were sealed so well it’s like a little time capsule inside. I think I was breathing air from the early 70s

mh, Friday, 1 September 2023 13:56 (one year ago) link

I have a couple of amps that need work and I'm dragging my feet on it. I have a big ass poweramp that just stopped working. It powers on but the little red light is dimmer than it should be, and it makes no sound at all.

I have a nice integrated amp that occasionally makes a SCHACK sound, even if the speaker volume is turned all the way down. Then it won't put out any sound. If I tap it it will make the sound again and usually work fine. Maybe a short?

It would probably cost more than it's worth to ship the things and have them repaired although they are nice. One day I might open them up to see if there's an obvious problem.

Cow_Art, Friday, 1 September 2023 14:10 (one year ago) link

How old are they? Both sound like possible capacitor issues. Does the power amp have a relay which usually clicks but now isn’t?

assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 1 September 2023 19:57 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

Apparently this is a thing now https://store.aconyrecords.com/products/the-harrow-the-harvest-reel-to-reel

I’m fully prepared to believe this sounds awesome. I’m also not paying 700 USD for an album. If it were their entire catalogue for that price I’d be tempted.

Not snake oil, but.

The land of dreams and endless remorse (hardcore dilettante), Tuesday, 19 September 2023 00:03 (one year ago) link

These 1/4" two track 15ips one-to-one duplicates are produced in real time from an original 30ips 1/2" master tape on meticulously calibrated ATR 102 tape machines through a custom distribution system providing proper impedance matching and the most direct path for the highest possible fidelity.

nah, it's 100% snake oil

chihuahuau, Tuesday, 19 September 2023 00:35 (one year ago) link

Been meaning to revive because I've been getting targeted ads on FB trying to sell me the new reel2reel of Elephant.

totally approve of any kissa bar owners buying that

brimstead, Tuesday, 19 September 2023 03:13 (one year ago) link

lol otm

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Tuesday, 19 September 2023 03:21 (one year ago) link

sadly my reel machine is 1/2", wish I was joking but hey it was free

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Tuesday, 19 September 2023 03:22 (one year ago) link

Touch & Go use to offer a 2" multi-track copy of Shellac's At Action Park in their catalog but apparently no one ever ordered it

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 19 September 2023 19:22 (one year ago) link

There’s no Discogs listing for it.

You could probably sell 2” multitrack copies of Dark Side etc for like $10k.

Despite Albini’s commitment to good engineering, I don’t think many of Shellac’s fans are a) audiophile nerds or b) that well heeled. Or also c) who the fuck has a 2” tape machine? Those things are suuuuuper exponse.

The land of dreams and endless remorse (hardcore dilettante), Wednesday, 20 September 2023 17:47 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

not specifically snake oil but what better to play your favorite album for audiophiles?

https://trackingangle.com/features/pro-ject-announces-limited-edition-the-dark-side-of-the-moon-turntable

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Monday, 9 October 2023 14:45 (one year ago) link

ha that looks pretty cool, actually

brimstead, Monday, 9 October 2023 14:54 (one year ago) link

that record player...rules

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 9 October 2023 15:22 (one year ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/7bNVFaG.jpg

budo jeru, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 04:52 (one year ago) link

there were only terrible comments when I looked but that one I will accept

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 13:03 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

To create, in all respects, the most beautiful and best engineered loudspeakers on Earth.

you failed they're hideous

butch wig (diamonddave85), Friday, 1 December 2023 06:31 (ten months ago) link

I feel like they make these things for people who live in complete solitude with no children, pets, significant others or family of any kind entering their home and possibly damaging these things in some way. That should fit that into a tagline - something like our product will impress those who will eventually find your decaying remains.

birdistheword, Friday, 1 December 2023 07:27 (ten months ago) link

How heavy are those things??????

Tapioca by Jean Sibelius (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 1 December 2023 09:14 (ten months ago) link

I didn’t realise how big it was until I saw the pic with the dog in it lol

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 1 December 2023 09:24 (ten months ago) link


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