this person is not young! they were accusing me of plagiarism because they thought they’d discovered the “since u been gone” / “maps” connection (and they didn’t understand the difference between “disparate” and “desperate”) five years ago! the editors aren’t faultless here but this isn’t some guileless naïf!― maura, Friday, July 7, 2023 10:14 AM bookmarkflaglink
woooooooooooooow.
― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Friday, 7 July 2023 14:22 (eleven months ago) link
have enjoyed reading the Twitter roasts of this article
Santigold could've explained the difference.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 July 2023 14:23 (eleven months ago) link
this is also the same writer who had that whole "st. vincent asked me to take down this interview" kerfuffle imbroglio in 2021
― maura, Friday, 7 July 2023 14:35 (eleven months ago) link
"kerfuffle imbroglio" lol
^^ great with a fresh pesto imo
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 July 2023 14:37 (eleven months ago) link
Oh wow. That whole piece about how Annie Clark was annoyed by her presence?
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Friday, 7 July 2023 14:38 (eleven months ago) link
Back in the American suburbs, Hüsker Dü’s Bob Mould—who once said that he was “bored to death with guitar music,” and pivoted to disco shortly after coming out in the mid ’90s—wrote in the language of vague and universal sexuality, much like Stipe; an evasive tactic they’d learned from Shelley. Through muddy distortion, Mould often sang of self-hatred, of lovers lost, and he was keen not to be seen as a “gay musician.”
And Grant Hart did the exact opposite? This article is infuriating.
― Allen (etaeoe), Friday, 7 July 2023 14:38 (eleven months ago) link
Back in the American suburbs
― Bittern Storm Over My Hammy (morrisp), Friday, 7 July 2023 14:40 (eleven months ago) link
xxpost Oh, I guess that was a different St. Vincent interviewer
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Friday, 7 July 2023 14:41 (eleven months ago) link
that article is very bad yes, but I had to lol at this
it's well known that the full title of On the Road was On The Road, Up the Ass― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, July 6, 2023 7:21 PM (yesterday)
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, July 6, 2023 7:21 PM (yesterday)
I mean, Kerouac got kicked out of Columbia for a reason!
― rob, Friday, 7 July 2023 14:51 (eleven months ago) link
I am fascinated now by all of these internet scandals this writer has been involved in. pls 2 share any linkages to any other details while I reheat my popcorn
― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Friday, 7 July 2023 14:57 (eleven months ago) link
LMAO at "curious dumbass" in her Twitter bio
Around a fortnight ago I interviewed St Vincent. The next morning, her and her team demanded that the piece be killed. It was. I didn't like how easy that was, so I've decided to publish it myself:https://t.co/A83nBktUAZ— Themma Madden (@emmamaddenUK) April 26, 2021
― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Friday, 7 July 2023 14:59 (eleven months ago) link
kind of an accomplishment to get attention for writing articles at all when the content mills keep churning
― mh, Friday, 7 July 2023 15:00 (eleven months ago) link
"her and her team"?!?!
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 7 July 2023 15:01 (eleven months ago) link
you think you're so hardyou and your crew
― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Friday, 7 July 2023 15:03 (eleven months ago) link
https://www.vice.com/en/article/j57jw7/my-quest-to-find-where-in-london-you-can-shit-for-free
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Friday, 7 July 2023 15:03 (eleven months ago) link
"her she and her team" — Ed.
― Bittern Storm Over My Hammy (morrisp), Friday, 7 July 2023 15:04 (eleven months ago) link
wait these are different writers, no?
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 7 July 2023 15:30 (eleven months ago) link
no, Emm@ M@dd3n wrote both
― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Friday, 7 July 2023 15:31 (eleven months ago) link
oh I finally actually clicked on the article, for some reason I thought it was written by a guy. hahaha
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 7 July 2023 15:32 (eleven months ago) link
all right, I found that interview on archive.org and I’m done looking into this writer before I feel stalkery
I remember if being kind of… off.. at the time and it’s clear St. Vincent was kind of nervous and maybe answering questions she wouldn’t normally. and the questions are very much of the “why would you even ask that?!” variety
― mh, Friday, 7 July 2023 15:39 (eleven months ago) link
In 2001, Ontario’s Joel Gibb founded Hidden Cameras, a self-defined “gay folk church music” act that helped revive the city’s perishing indie rock scene with sexually lascivious live shows.
The city in Ontario, you know the one
― jmm, Friday, 7 July 2023 15:45 (eleven months ago) link
to be fair, pitchfork is dumb.
― scott seward, Friday, 7 July 2023 15:47 (eleven months ago) link
Kind of curious where we are in the series at this point.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Friday, 7 July 2023 16:02 (eleven months ago) link
https://thecreativeindependent.com/people/journalist-emma-madden-on-the-ups-and-downs-of-freelance-work/
― But his face would not turn into hot Kirby (Evan), Friday, 7 July 2023 16:28 (eleven months ago) link
whoops I meant to make that a hyperlink, can that be fixed?
― But his face would not turn into hot Kirby (Evan), Friday, 7 July 2023 16:29 (eleven months ago) link
oh, she was the one who wrote that awful review of the last Everything Everything album, makes sense
― vexingvexillologist, Friday, 7 July 2023 17:29 (eleven months ago) link
it's hyperlinked (xpost)
the longer that interview in creative independent goes on, the more and more self-important this writer appears and the worse she comes across. for someone who has only been doing music journalism for a few years, it's not a good look.
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 7 July 2023 17:45 (eleven months ago) link
emma is non-binary and uses they/them pronouns, just fyi
― maura, Friday, 7 July 2023 18:31 (eleven months ago) link
ty maura
― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Friday, 7 July 2023 18:32 (eleven months ago) link
Oh sorry, I meant a hyperlink via a "title" to help google-proof it
― But his face would not turn into hot Kirby (Evan), Friday, 7 July 2023 18:40 (eleven months ago) link
xp maura - sorry about that, thanks for letting us know. and it was unhelpful of me to say their review was "awful" - rather, i thought it was dismissive and made some assumptions about the band that i disagreed with. i still don't like the review much but EE are a polarising band and i can see why someone would think that way
― vexingvexillologist, Monday, 10 July 2023 13:28 (eleven months ago) link
― Bittern Storm Over My Hammy (morrisp), Friday, July 7, 2023 9:40 AM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink
this wrt to Huskers is annoying as hell, they met when Mould was at Macalester College in St. Paul, the very definition of a very international, diverse, very liberal, artsy private college. The band was formed in the city. They weren't a suburban "garage band" by any stretch they were an urban band and very much part of the urban punk scene in the Twin Cities.
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 10 July 2023 15:15 (eleven months ago) link
sorry every american town not named ny, l.a., or chicago (maybe) is the suburbs
― ludicrously capacious bag (voodoo chili), Monday, 10 July 2023 15:22 (eleven months ago) link
Back in the Merica burbsYou don't know how lucky you erb
― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Monday, 10 July 2023 15:30 (eleven months ago) link
I don't know--these are some pretty suburban lyrics:
Something I learned todayYield to the right of wayStopping at a four-way signSomeone else's rules, not mine, not mine
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Monday, 10 July 2023 15:40 (eleven months ago) link
oh god the amount of 4 way stops in minneapolis and st. paul with four minnesotans all having a standoff by refusing to take the right of way
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 10 July 2023 15:56 (eleven months ago) link
lol yes
I am not that far from the downtown of my midwestern city and I was showing another ilxor where I live on a map and they were like "so it's a suburb?!" because it's mostly residential, houses with yards, etc.
tbf my neighborhood looks like those built in a similar era in minneapolis
― mh, Monday, 10 July 2023 16:33 (eleven months ago) link
when I was growing up in the suburbs I appreciated "Books about UFOs" because I often sat on the roof reading.
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Monday, 10 July 2023 16:41 (eleven months ago) link
i love that image
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 10 July 2023 16:43 (eleven months ago) link
Reminds me of when people were listening to NWA and imagining some urban hellscape because they'd never actually seen photos of Compton.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 10 July 2023 16:59 (eleven months ago) link
Compton is a suburb, too!
It's interesting how the city with more autonomous neighborhoods model contrasts w/cities with boroughs, cities where it's more of a county-level (or multi-county) government like LA where it's really a cluster of cities
― mh, Monday, 10 July 2023 17:10 (eleven months ago) link
Even if you read "Many of indie rock’s major players came out of suburbia, itself a hotbed for whiteness and heterosexuality" as meaning that some of them literally grew up in the suburbs, and did their earliest home recording there (which is def true for some major players that come to mind), it's not really saying anything other than the tautological "these are largely straight white guys/ gals from the suburbs." And, yeah, then they ended up actually playing shows in cities & college towns, because that's where the community was – same as for any music scene.
Btw, I think the Magnetic Fields get no mention – maybe they're not "secret" enough for the secret history(?), but seems like an oversight (sorry if someone mentioned this already, I can't easily re-load the above comments without freezing my browser with the entire thread).
― Bittern Storm Over My Hammy (morrisp), Monday, 10 July 2023 17:40 (eleven months ago) link
It's such a funny fucking conceit because like 90% of "indie rockers" who grew up in the American suburbs would probably tell you that they found living there oppressive and *leaving* the suburbs was a top priority
― sean paul akerman (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 10 July 2023 17:49 (eleven months ago) link
^^^^
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 10 July 2023 17:53 (eleven months ago) link
I don't know if i'm going to get over the "correction" of
"Arcade Fire’s 2010 album The Suburbs — which includes string arrangements from a queer artist"
"An earlier version of this piece misstated the number of people of color who have appeared on Belle & Sebastian record sleeves"
― sean paul akerman (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 10 July 2023 17:55 (eleven months ago) link
"Some of my best string arrangements are gay"
― sean paul akerman (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 10 July 2023 17:58 (eleven months ago) link
No mention of Thalia Zedek
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Monday, 10 July 2023 18:16 (eleven months ago) link
The way the article sort of leaps from B-52's and Pete Shelley to Pansy Division felt like maybe there might be some more secret history the writer might have missed
― chr1sb3singer, Monday, 10 July 2023 18:26 (eleven months ago) link