pitchfork is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)

isn't "indie rock" used mostly as a style description vs. literal circumstance of the act?

Probably, but it tends to work out literally. Like, "New Day Rising" "Bleach" and "You're Living All Over Me" feel like indie albums, and "Warehouse" "Never Mind" and "Where You Been" feel like alternative albums.

I personally never would have called a major-label album "indie rock"... apart from maybe referring to the band as a (former?) indie-rock band which has jumped to a major, etc.

I think we need a flag in the ground here: I don't think this particular discussion has taken place on the internet before.

I'm happy to take it to Threads, if that's your pref

I think Zuck would welcome this bold new content.

the first B-52s single and the first R.E.M. single were released on independent labels (DB Records and Hib-Tone respectively)

but neither is an indie rock band

i'm trying to imagine the first b-52s record being recorded in mitch easter's garage. i can't imagine it.

It’s easy if you try

I mean, if you can extend “indie rock” to mean REM and B-52’s, there’s no reason you couldn’t include Lou Reed, Tom Robinson, Jayne County, Gary Floyd of the Dicks, Pete Shelley of the Buzzcocks, probably a whole lot of English new wave… Kind of becomes not-so-secret and just becomes… history

need an official ranking of all genres by straightness

I think we need a flag in the ground here: I don't think this particular discussion has taken place on the internet before.

― Stars of the Lidl (Chinaski), Thursday, July 6, 2023 1:16 PM (three hours ago)

I was going to post something like this earlier. I stumbled into a twitter conversation where people were very angry that someone was defining "indie movies" via just vibes and someone was making the "it literally means an independent production not funded by a major studio" point and I was just like... I don't even care

maybe the better article would be gay music that's secretly indie idk

a track of his dedicated to the great gay tradition of cross-country road-tripping

i dont have a minor in queer theory but i missed when road trips became specifically gay?

I think in an Anal Cunt song probably

With regard to the brief terminology discussion… Evan raised the question, seemed worth responding.

it's well known that the full title of On the Road was On The Road, Up the Ass

anyway I'm not going to read this article, the posted quotes are enough for me to go 'uh what'

it just reads like an earnest young person doing a little historical report but I have absolutely no concept of who the writer is or why editorial decided this was a neat little gay music primer in 2023

Pitchfork (2023): Can Indie rock be queer and gay?

Me and the boys in 7th grade (1999): Yes, Indie rock is queer and gay pic.twitter.com/1CitMtiFGD

— Sooper Records (@sooperrecords) July 6, 2023

Vern Tessio in a Korn t-shirt there.

it just reads like an earnest young person doing a little historical report but I have absolutely no concept of who the writer is or why editorial decided this was a neat little gay music primer in 2023

ahhhhh!

maura, that sucks and now I’m even more mystified

what’s really funny about that non-discovery is that the first google result containing both is Ted Leo’s cover that blends the two on youtube

what’s really funny about that non-discovery is that the first google result containing both is Ted Leo’s cover that blends the two on youtube

(said YouTube link is from 2007)

this person is not young! they were accusing me of plagiarism because they thought they’d discovered the “since u been gone” / “maps” connection (and they didn’t understand the difference between “disparate” and “desperate”) five years ago! the editors aren’t faultless here but this isn’t some guileless naïf!
― maura, Friday, July 7, 2023 10:14 AM bookmarkflaglink

woooooooooooooow.

have enjoyed reading the Twitter roasts of this article

Santigold could've explained the difference.

this is also the same writer who had that whole "st. vincent asked me to take down this interview" kerfuffle imbroglio in 2021

"kerfuffle imbroglio" lol

^^ great with a fresh pesto imo

Oh wow. That whole piece about how Annie Clark was annoyed by her presence?

Back in the American suburbs, Hüsker Dü’s Bob Mould—who once said that he was “bored to death with guitar music,” and pivoted to disco shortly after coming out in the mid ’90s—wrote in the language of vague and universal sexuality, much like Stipe; an evasive tactic they’d learned from Shelley. Through muddy distortion, Mould often sang of self-hatred, of lovers lost, and he was keen not to be seen as a “gay musician.”

And Grant Hart did the exact opposite? This article is infuriating.

Back in the American suburbs

xxpost Oh, I guess that was a different St. Vincent interviewer

that article is very bad yes, but I had to lol at this

it's well known that the full title of On the Road was On The Road, Up the Ass

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, July 6, 2023 7:21 PM (yesterday)

I mean, Kerouac got kicked out of Columbia for a reason!

I am fascinated now by all of these internet scandals this writer has been involved in. pls 2 share any linkages to any other details while I reheat my popcorn

LMAO at "curious dumbass" in her Twitter bio

Around a fortnight ago I interviewed St Vincent. The next morning, her and her team demanded that the piece be killed. It was. I didn't like how easy that was, so I've decided to publish it myself:https://t.co/A83nBktUAZ

— Themma Madden (@emmamaddenUK) April 26, 2021

kind of an accomplishment to get attention for writing articles at all when the content mills keep churning

"her and her team"?!?!

you think you're so hard
you and your crew

https://www.vice.com/en/article/j57jw7/my-quest-to-find-where-in-london-you-can-shit-for-free

"her she and her team" — Ed.

this is also the same writer who had that whole "st. vincent asked me to take down this interview" kerfuffle imbroglio in 2021

wait these are different writers, no?

no, Emm@ M@dd3n wrote both

oh I finally actually clicked on the article, for some reason I thought it was written by a guy. hahaha

all right, I found that interview on archive.org and I’m done looking into this writer before I feel stalkery

I remember if being kind of… off.. at the time and it’s clear St. Vincent was kind of nervous and maybe answering questions she wouldn’t normally. and the questions are very much of the “why would you even ask that?!” variety

In 2001, Ontario’s Joel Gibb founded Hidden Cameras, a self-defined “gay folk church music” act that helped revive the city’s perishing indie rock scene with sexually lascivious live shows.

The city in Ontario, you know the one

to be fair, pitchfork is dumb.

Kind of curious where we are in the series at this point.