That's the trouble: "college rock" and "indie rock" get slippery. My college station played Consolidated, Peter Murphy, and Sting.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 July 2023 17:23 (ten months ago) link
When I studied abroad in England in the late 90s, I had to get used to the fact that what I thought of as "indie" was "alternative" in the UK and vice versa.
― jaymc, Thursday, 6 July 2023 17:31 (ten months ago) link
They drive on the wrong side of the road too
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Thursday, 6 July 2023 17:37 (ten months ago) link
wot now?!?
― jaymc, Thursday, 6 July 2023 17:38 (ten months ago) link
they call a "beer" a "pint" and when you put a homosexual in your mouth and light him with a match he's a "fag."
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 July 2023 17:47 (ten months ago) link
Rough trade 1976
― brimstead, Thursday, 6 July 2023 17:48 (ten months ago) link
isn't "indie rock" used mostly as a style description vs. literal circumstance of the act?
― But his face would not turn into hot Kirby (Evan), Thursday, 6 July 2023 17:52 (ten months ago) link
Probably, but it tends to work out literally. Like, "New Day Rising" "Bleach" and "You're Living All Over Me" feel like indie albums, and "Warehouse" "Never Mind" and "Where You Been" feel like alternative albums.
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Thursday, 6 July 2023 17:56 (ten months ago) link
I personally never would have called a major-label album "indie rock"... apart from maybe referring to the band as a (former?) indie-rock band which has jumped to a major, etc.
― Bittern Storm Over My Hammy (morrisp), Thursday, 6 July 2023 18:11 (ten months ago) link
I think we need a flag in the ground here: I don't think this particular discussion has taken place on the internet before.
― Stars of the Lidl (Chinaski), Thursday, 6 July 2023 18:16 (ten months ago) link
I'm happy to take it to Threads, if that's your pref
― Bittern Storm Over My Hammy (morrisp), Thursday, 6 July 2023 18:18 (ten months ago) link
I think Zuck would welcome this bold new content.
― Stars of the Lidl (Chinaski), Thursday, 6 July 2023 18:19 (ten months ago) link
the first B-52s single and the first R.E.M. single were released on independent labels (DB Records and Hib-Tone respectively)
but neither is an indie rock band
― Brad C., Thursday, 6 July 2023 18:50 (ten months ago) link
i'm trying to imagine the first b-52s record being recorded in mitch easter's garage. i can't imagine it.
― scott seward, Thursday, 6 July 2023 18:59 (ten months ago) link
It’s easy if you try
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 6 July 2023 20:43 (ten months ago) link
I mean, if you can extend “indie rock” to mean REM and B-52’s, there’s no reason you couldn’t include Lou Reed, Tom Robinson, Jayne County, Gary Floyd of the Dicks, Pete Shelley of the Buzzcocks, probably a whole lot of English new wave… Kind of becomes not-so-secret and just becomes… history
― sean paul akerman (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 6 July 2023 21:34 (ten months ago) link
need an official ranking of all genres by straightness
― ufo, Thursday, 6 July 2023 21:57 (ten months ago) link
― Stars of the Lidl (Chinaski), Thursday, July 6, 2023 1:16 PM (three hours ago)
I was going to post something like this earlier. I stumbled into a twitter conversation where people were very angry that someone was defining "indie movies" via just vibes and someone was making the "it literally means an independent production not funded by a major studio" point and I was just like... I don't even care
maybe the better article would be gay music that's secretly indie idk
― mh, Thursday, 6 July 2023 22:01 (ten months ago) link
a track of his dedicated to the great gay tradition of cross-country road-tripping
i dont have a minor in queer theory but i missed when road trips became specifically gay?
― waste of compute (One Eye Open), Thursday, 6 July 2023 22:06 (ten months ago) link
I think in an Anal Cunt song probably
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 6 July 2023 22:18 (ten months ago) link
With regard to the brief terminology discussion… Evan raised the question, seemed worth responding.
― Bittern Storm Over My Hammy (morrisp), Thursday, 6 July 2023 22:35 (ten months ago) link
it's well known that the full title of On the Road was On The Road, Up the Ass
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, 6 July 2023 23:21 (ten months ago) link
anyway I'm not going to read this article, the posted quotes are enough for me to go 'uh what'
it just reads like an earnest young person doing a little historical report but I have absolutely no concept of who the writer is or why editorial decided this was a neat little gay music primer in 2023
― mh, Friday, 7 July 2023 01:01 (ten months ago) link
Pitchfork (2023): Can Indie rock be queer and gay?Me and the boys in 7th grade (1999): Yes, Indie rock is queer and gay pic.twitter.com/1CitMtiFGD— Sooper Records (@sooperrecords) July 6, 2023
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 7 July 2023 02:51 (ten months ago) link
Vern Tessio in a Korn t-shirt there.
― (picnic, lightning) very very frightening (Chinaski), Friday, 7 July 2023 09:27 (ten months ago) link
― maura, Friday, 7 July 2023 14:14 (ten months ago) link
ahhhhh!
maura, that sucks and now I’m even more mystified
― mh, Friday, 7 July 2023 14:15 (ten months ago) link
what’s really funny about that non-discovery is that the first google result containing both is Ted Leo’s cover that blends the two on youtube
― mh, Friday, 7 July 2023 14:18 (ten months ago) link
― maura, Friday, 7 July 2023 14:19 (ten months ago) link
(said YouTube link is from 2007)
― mh, Friday, 7 July 2023 14:20 (ten months ago) link
this person is not young! they were accusing me of plagiarism because they thought they’d discovered the “since u been gone” / “maps” connection (and they didn’t understand the difference between “disparate” and “desperate”) five years ago! the editors aren’t faultless here but this isn’t some guileless naïf!― maura, Friday, July 7, 2023 10:14 AM bookmarkflaglink
woooooooooooooow.
― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Friday, 7 July 2023 14:22 (ten months ago) link
have enjoyed reading the Twitter roasts of this article
Santigold could've explained the difference.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 July 2023 14:23 (ten months ago) link
this is also the same writer who had that whole "st. vincent asked me to take down this interview" kerfuffle imbroglio in 2021
― maura, Friday, 7 July 2023 14:35 (ten months ago) link
"kerfuffle imbroglio" lol
^^ great with a fresh pesto imo
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 July 2023 14:37 (ten months ago) link
Oh wow. That whole piece about how Annie Clark was annoyed by her presence?
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Friday, 7 July 2023 14:38 (ten months ago) link
Back in the American suburbs, Hüsker Dü’s Bob Mould—who once said that he was “bored to death with guitar music,” and pivoted to disco shortly after coming out in the mid ’90s—wrote in the language of vague and universal sexuality, much like Stipe; an evasive tactic they’d learned from Shelley. Through muddy distortion, Mould often sang of self-hatred, of lovers lost, and he was keen not to be seen as a “gay musician.”
And Grant Hart did the exact opposite? This article is infuriating.
― Allen (etaeoe), Friday, 7 July 2023 14:38 (ten months ago) link
Back in the American suburbs
― Bittern Storm Over My Hammy (morrisp), Friday, 7 July 2023 14:40 (ten months ago) link
xxpost Oh, I guess that was a different St. Vincent interviewer
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Friday, 7 July 2023 14:41 (ten months ago) link
that article is very bad yes, but I had to lol at this
it's well known that the full title of On the Road was On The Road, Up the Ass― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, July 6, 2023 7:21 PM (yesterday)
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, July 6, 2023 7:21 PM (yesterday)
I mean, Kerouac got kicked out of Columbia for a reason!
― rob, Friday, 7 July 2023 14:51 (ten months ago) link
I am fascinated now by all of these internet scandals this writer has been involved in. pls 2 share any linkages to any other details while I reheat my popcorn
― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Friday, 7 July 2023 14:57 (ten months ago) link
LMAO at "curious dumbass" in her Twitter bio
Around a fortnight ago I interviewed St Vincent. The next morning, her and her team demanded that the piece be killed. It was. I didn't like how easy that was, so I've decided to publish it myself:https://t.co/A83nBktUAZ— Themma Madden (@emmamaddenUK) April 26, 2021
― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Friday, 7 July 2023 14:59 (ten months ago) link
kind of an accomplishment to get attention for writing articles at all when the content mills keep churning
― mh, Friday, 7 July 2023 15:00 (ten months ago) link
"her and her team"?!?!
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 7 July 2023 15:01 (ten months ago) link
you think you're so hardyou and your crew
― linoleum gallagher (Neanderthal), Friday, 7 July 2023 15:03 (ten months ago) link
https://www.vice.com/en/article/j57jw7/my-quest-to-find-where-in-london-you-can-shit-for-free
― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Friday, 7 July 2023 15:03 (ten months ago) link
"her she and her team" — Ed.
― Bittern Storm Over My Hammy (morrisp), Friday, 7 July 2023 15:04 (ten months ago) link
wait these are different writers, no?
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 7 July 2023 15:30 (ten months ago) link