i've done this already
― I love rainbow cookies (surm), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 20:51 (fourteen years ago) link
BIOTCH!
Best song on Jagged Little Pill
:) muah
― I love rainbow cookies (surm), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 20:52 (fourteen years ago) link
Maybe "Hand in My Pocket" will win this time tho.
― well known on the morris dancing scene (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 20:53 (fourteen years ago) link
I've heard "Head Over Feet," "You Oughta Know," "You Learn," "Ironic," and "Hand in My Pocket," and they all sound EXACTLY the same. I take it the rest of the album is like that?
― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 5 August 2009 20:53 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, but was your pun as good as mine?
― Back Like That (makeitpop), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 20:53 (fourteen years ago) link
poll puns are not good
― I love rainbow cookies (surm), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 20:54 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm really hoping that You Oughta Know wins again. I think this is a question worth revisiting on a yearly basis.
― Back Like That (makeitpop), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 20:55 (fourteen years ago) link
http://danellesheree.com/img/NewFiles/720_300_dw_TryingTooHard.gif
― well known on the morris dancing scene (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 20:57 (fourteen years ago) link
haha, "Right Through You" now has a vote! This was one of the first tapes I ever had.
― The Wild Shirtless Lyrics of Mark Farner (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 20:58 (fourteen years ago) link
are we really doing this again? lock this bitch
― I love rainbow cookies (surm), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 20:58 (fourteen years ago) link
Are you suggesting we abandon this?
― well known on the morris dancing scene (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link
i mean... do what makes you happy
― I love rainbow cookies (surm), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 21:00 (fourteen years ago) link
I can never choose. I consistently go through Alanis/"JLP" phases at least once a year.
― claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 21:01 (fourteen years ago) link
And yes all Alanis songs are the same. Repetition, paradoxes, pseudointellectualism.
― claws of jungle red (Stevie D), Wednesday, 5 August 2009 21:02 (fourteen years ago) link
and LISTS!
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Sunday, 9 August 2009 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link
Bah, Alanis. In the words of Coach McGuirk...if I had to pick one, I'd pick none of them.
― Cyberdune Butt (Elvin Wayburn Phillips), Sunday, 9 August 2009 23:54 (fourteen years ago) link
voting "hand in pocket" because I kind of enjoy it, which is odd for me, since everything else I've heard on this album fills me with a sort of revulsion that I almost never experience in response to music. not much that I hate, but this...this, I truly hate a lot.
― the evil genius of Zaiger Genetics (J0hn D.), Sunday, 9 August 2009 23:57 (fourteen years ago) link
"Ironic" all the way.
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Monday, 10 August 2009 06:05 (fourteen years ago) link
terrible album
― galumphing lummox (bug), Monday, 10 August 2009 06:13 (fourteen years ago) link
'head over feet' because it doesn't strike me as being as caustic, righteous and generally irritating as the others.
― Charlie Howard, Monday, 10 August 2009 06:20 (fourteen years ago) link
also makeitpop you left out the HIDDEN TRACK on this. it got 2 votes in the first poll, fyi.
― I love rainbow cookies (surm), Monday, 10 August 2009 06:28 (fourteen years ago) link
The production on this album never fails to get on my nerves whenever I get to hear any of its songs blasting through the supermarket speakers.
― Moka, Monday, 10 August 2009 07:10 (fourteen years ago) link
I for one am happy to have a chance to declare for "You Oughta Know" once a year. Probably my favorite big hit of the era. Don't mean to be all rockist here but there is 100% ACTUAL FEELING pouring out of this song and that's just not easy to do, not without sounding like an idiot. Does Alanis sound like an idiot on this song? SHE DOES NOT.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 10 August 2009 14:05 (fourteen years ago) link
Well, she does sound like an idiot, but it's an idiot that most of us have been at one point or another; it's also kind of amazing that "You Oughta Know" was her mainstream breakthrough given how venomous it is.
I think pretty much every song she released as a single off this album was great, including the stupid ones.
― I am over wieght and I have angelical quilities (HI DERE), Monday, 10 August 2009 14:08 (fourteen years ago) link
voted for "forgiven." i never liked this one when i bought the album, but it grew on me considerably when i was listening to JLP and trying to decide whether or not i should pitch it.
― borntohula, Monday, 10 August 2009 14:55 (fourteen years ago) link
Saw a girl do a karaoke version of "You Oughta Know" that sounded way better than Alanis' to my ears. Maybe because she sounded genuinely insane rather than pretend-i'm-a-crazy-bitch-to-sell-records insane.
― myndbloom, Monday, 10 August 2009 15:07 (fourteen years ago) link
― Charlie Howard, Monday, August 10, 2009 2:20 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
^^ this
― some dude, Monday, 10 August 2009 15:09 (fourteen years ago) link
fuck this shitty album
― billstevejim, Monday, 10 August 2009 15:10 (fourteen years ago) link
you forgot to include that shitty bullshit song thats like "i took off my clothes i put on your cd's"
― billstevejim, Monday, 10 August 2009 15:11 (fourteen years ago) link
also it was totally weird and hilarious how the terrible nu-grunge band Seether took the "I am aware now" bit from that song, exact same cadence and everything, and made it into the chorus of one of their singles (xpost)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li2PVKMZCo4
― some dude, Monday, 10 August 2009 15:12 (fourteen years ago) link
Damn. I didn't think I could hate Seether anymore than I did 5 minutes ago..
― billstevejim, Monday, 10 August 2009 15:15 (fourteen years ago) link
And if you think I'm kidding I just heard their cover of "Careless Whisper" for the first time the other day.
― billstevejim, Monday, 10 August 2009 15:23 (fourteen years ago) link
ack, they covered careless whisper? make it stop!
― borntohula, Monday, 10 August 2009 16:02 (fourteen years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Monday, 10 August 2009 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link
ok lol
― it's like i have a couple worked up vadges under my arms (HI DERE), Monday, 10 August 2009 23:45 (fourteen years ago) link
Too many votes for "Ironic," otherwise pretty good.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 00:21 (fourteen years ago) link
Great work everyone.
― Back Like That (makeitpop), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 04:23 (fourteen years ago) link
alanis looks nasty naked
― Cyberdune Butt (Elvin Wayburn Phillips), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 04:24 (fourteen years ago) link
If we keep doing this "Hand in My Pocket" should win the next one.
― AND I KNOW THE NEIGHBORS HATE ME NOW (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 06:29 (fourteen years ago) link
oh my god it is so nice to read about this album without seeing the phrase "blackface ADATs"
― badpowderfinger (electricsound), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 06:35 (fourteen years ago) link
On the awkwardness of the album's worst single.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 01:12 (six years ago) link
I like that one.... More than “You Oughta Know” or “Ironic,” anyway.
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 01:20 (six years ago) link
It also falls in the interesting category of “songs that use the album title as a lyric phrase (but it’s not the song title).”
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 01:22 (six years ago) link
aw "you learn" is good imo
"head over feet" towers over everything else on this record though imo
― flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 01:58 (six years ago) link
imo
"head over feet" really is lovely
― dyl, Wednesday, 30 May 2018 02:59 (six years ago) link
'You Learn' is one of my favourite songs on that LP!
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 06:41 (six years ago) link
Thank you is my favourite Alanis song
― Ross, Wednesday, 30 May 2018 06:56 (six years ago) link
ILM Confession: I had no problem w/how the term “ironic” was used in that song (even if not technically accurate), and thought all the “Gotcha/Actually”–ing around it was silly.
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 13:20 (six years ago) link
feel like that’s the reasonable position
― flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 13:22 (six years ago) link
The claim that Liz Phair's success "counted to a large degree on the support of enthusiastic dudes for whom a woman with a guitar was the ultimate babe-with-a-brain fantasy" while Morrissette was by and large "loathed" by male fans does not match my memory of the era
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 13:23 (six years ago) link
It certainly was mine! Man, did guys hate her.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 13:25 (six years ago) link
My memory is that everyone loved "You Oughta Know" but I only rarely met anyone who liked anything else.
― droit au butt (Euler), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 13:27 (six years ago) link
I never would have thought to compare Liz & Alanis (or their reception); interesting move by Alfred, I guess.
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 13:41 (six years ago) link
I felt like Morrisette was a legit huge rock star who everybody I knew, men and women, basically liked, while Liz Phair fandom was more interior to feminism, not all the way to Ani DiFranco, but in that direction from Morrissette.
I mean I say this as a dude whose record collection in 1995 was probably 96% "dudes with guitars" and I owned Jagged Little Pill (and Supposed Former...!) but not Phair.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 14:06 (six years ago) link
I love You Learn. Reminds me of Goodbye to You by Michelle Branch in a way (or probably a dozen other pop-rock power ballads from the late 90s early 00s).
Speaking for my lame dude self from back then, I ran away from Alanis when her second single wasn't also about going down on you in a theater and featuring the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Also the Ironic video, with the multiple Alanises manically writhing about in the car, was enough to push her over into "this girl is annoying" territory. I do remember some guy friends still thought she was great though, but not many.
― how's life, Wednesday, 30 May 2018 14:11 (six years ago) link
I had a girlfriend at the time who loved "You Oughtta" because it felt "honest," but then as now I think it's musically a bit weak.
"You Learn," "Thank You," and "Hand In My Pocket" are excellent songs. The useful comparison is not Alanis vs. Ani or Liz (or Tori Amos, or Michelle Branch) but Alanis vs. Sheryl Crow.
― the lauper curve (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 14:17 (six years ago) link
he useful comparison is not Alanis vs. Ani or Liz (or Tori Amos, or Michelle Branch) but Alanis vs. Sheryl Crow.
don't at all disagree! But this became more obvious years later, not at the time (Alanis peaked between Crow's breakthrough and the eponymous album)
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 14:24 (six years ago) link
I was trying to make a point about her influence on all that later stuff.
― how's life, Wednesday, 30 May 2018 14:25 (six years ago) link
i loved "you oughta know" but was ultimately sold by "ironic" as a song/video, i asked my parents to buy me the record the day after i saw it. got my dad into her too
Mary Jane 0
maura and i were recently talking about how this is the best jlp deep cut (it came up bc the main character of the alanis musical is named mary jane)
― flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 14:29 (six years ago) link
I agree, how's life.
That said, I think one could also draw a longer line of influence and spotlight access - Indigos, Suzanne Vega, Tori, Tracy Chapman, Sarah McLachlan, Shawn Colvin, Mary Chapin Carpenter, Lilith Fair - to Alanis etc., and forth to Michelle Branch and Anna Nalick.
― the lauper curve (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 14:35 (six years ago) link
I can’t think of many artists like Alanis (male or female), in 1995 or since – a solo act whose fans trended young and who effortlessly crossed between pop & alternative radio.
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 14:41 (six years ago) link
“Ironic” remains the worst of the JLP singles, to me, not for of the usual language-snob reasons—glenn mcdonald once referred to her “somewhat holistic definition of irony,” which is a fair way to put it—but rather because I don’t think she can pull off the whispiness of the verses. It’s not a mode she seems comfortable with, and it comes off sounding kind of Phoebie from Friends-ish.
― Police, Academy (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 14:42 (six years ago) link
21 Pilots! xp
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 14:42 (six years ago) link
I lost interest in trying to like her music when the followup album used that wispy mode.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 14:43 (six years ago) link
alfred - some great sendup in that piece of her hallmark-card advice.... and yet it cannot shake my joy when she hits the audacious hail-mary of "the smoe-ooh-oh-oke clee-ers"
― noel gallaghah's high flying burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 16:15 (six years ago) link
the dust seaaeaaaattles
― flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 16:21 (six years ago) link
I heart u Lord Alfred but I am not even the slightest bit put off by "sex gargoyle" or by "Chynna Phillips pillow talk." Both sound welcome to me at this historical remove.
― the salmon mousse (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 16:36 (six years ago) link
I thought she was terrible at the time and only ever liked "head over feet" which is cute and lovely. That said, I found myself at the Jagged Little Pill musical a couple weeks ago. It was . . . not good.
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 30 May 2018 17:53 (six years ago) link
I can’t think of many artists like Alanis (male or female), in 1995 or since – a solo act whose fans trended young and who effortlessly crossed between pop & alternative radio.― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Wednesday, May 30, 2018
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Wednesday, May 30, 2018
To close the loop on this – it occurred to me that Lorde is another artist who fits this description.
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Saturday, 9 June 2018 21:31 (six years ago) link
One of the greatest albums of the last 30 years.
― Jeff, Saturday, 9 June 2018 21:56 (six years ago) link
Still sad I never interviewed Chantal kreviazuk. Family member died so they called it off.
― Slippage (Ross), Sunday, 10 June 2018 01:43 (six years ago) link
https://variety.com/2019/music/news/alanis-morissettes-jagged-little-pill-defense-letters-to-cleo-kay-hanley-1203175891/
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Friday, 29 March 2019 18:29 (five years ago) link
good stuff, esp that last line
― rip van wanko, Friday, 29 March 2019 18:44 (five years ago) link
This is a gift and we don’t deserve it. pic.twitter.com/DgzC2Q66sV— Simon Ward (@simonjward) April 1, 2021
― John Cooper of Christian rock band Skillet (map), Friday, 2 April 2021 20:43 (three years ago) link
A little late to the Jagged Little Pill Party, but am I alone in thinking that the bridge in "Ironic" is even better than the already-great chorus, to the point where she could have used it as the base for a completely new song, like what Van Halen did with the outro riff from "Jump" to make "Standing On Top Of The World"?
I'm also curious if any other Ilxors who may have been in the San Diego area in the mid-'90s remember a very bizarre radio moment, which felt like a quasi-regular segment where the "wise" rocker DJ aimed to put fans of Alanis "in their place". In January '96, this dude responded to a caller asking him to play the not-yet-a-single "All I Really Want" by acting as if he was going to do so, but then pulling the switcheroo with "Nah, I think you should hear *this* instead, you'll see why...", then proceeding to play the (also-awesome) Dwight Yoakam track "Never Hold You". While they ironically (sorry) share a similar guitar riff - and I'm sure his dudebro demo went head over feet for said antics - since Dwight's "Gone" was released a few months after "JLP", his rockist/"authenticity" claptrap came off very clunky and ridiculous.
― Bill Bruford's drumbeat for "South Side of the Sky": proto-dubstep? (Prefecture), Friday, 2 April 2021 22:46 (three years ago) link
That bridge has always reminded me of a Cocteau Twins song, not sure which one but from the Blue Bell Knoll/Heaven or Las Vegas era.
― Maresn3st, Friday, 2 April 2021 22:53 (three years ago) link
Cico Buff? Similar chords and beat.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 2 April 2021 23:18 (three years ago) link
Yeah! Exactly that.
― Maresn3st, Friday, 2 April 2021 23:24 (three years ago) link
Hell, I'm totally checking that out ASAP!
― Bill Bruford's drumbeat for "South Side of the Sky": proto-dubstep? (Prefecture), Saturday, 3 April 2021 00:06 (three years ago) link
“Not The Doctor” is my favorite, closely followed by “Head Over Feet” and “You Learn”
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 07:44 (two years ago) link
and the new documentary is pretty good
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 07:45 (two years ago) link
“not the doctor” and “mary jane” are the best deep cuts for me. “head over feet” the best single
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 07:48 (two years ago) link
thought the doc was pretty ok but could’ve been 30 minutes shorter
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 07:49 (two years ago) link
and i felt there was more focus on the phenomenon of the album than the album itself which i wanted more of the latter but this is why they don’t give me money to make documentaries
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 07:50 (two years ago) link
don't have a lot of interest in watching it tbh but still wanna know what made her disavow it and her own participation in it
― Murgatroid, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 12:11 (two years ago) link
I am semi-interested in the doc, but some details of her background sound, well, triggering. I was thinking of starting when she starts working with Ballard?
― fancy like applebeez (morrisp), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 16:09 (two years ago) link
xpost brad i agree with that i liked how much of her thoughts we get though, she’s great on camera. and i had no idea taylor hawkins had played on her tour.
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 16:31 (two years ago) link
I watched the 2021 Jagged doc last night (I had forgotten about it, then noticed it on Max). It's so bizarre to me how Alanis ended up disavowing it, saying it had a "salacious agenda" and "includes implications and facts that are simply not true." The film is essentially a hagiography, with nothing remotely critical or that makes her look bad in any way... and most of the "implications and facts" come from (or at least are framed by) her own long interview (which she vaguely walked back in her statement at the time, saying it had been conducted at "very vulnerable time (while in the midst of my third postpartum depression during lockdown)"). I'm at a complete loss to see what misgivings she had, after the fact, about what essentially feels like a glossy, "official" doc that could have been produced by her own camp. (Maybe she herself said something that wasn't true? Idk)
Anyway, I too wish it had focused a little more on the album itself; though it was cool that it talked as much as it did about her process making it w/Ballard. Some of the tour footage was pretty wild, with these stadiums full of intense fans... I guess I hadn't realized, at the time, just how big a "rock star" she was!
― I wanna key his car, I wanna make him lunch (morrisp), Thursday, 21 December 2023 22:04 (five months ago) link