rolling #metoo thread for sexual harassment in the music industry so no one misses out when artists we don't give a fuck about like Tim Westwood and Bassnectar get caught

To be fair I'd have that expression if I was out somewhere wearing that.

Till Lindemann

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-65913988

It’s always the artists you least expect huh

Danny Elfman

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/danny-elfman-nomi-abadi-sexual-harassment-allegation-1234791842/amp/

oh man

"our non-sexual contact was totally consensual" is an extremely odd way to speak about an ostensibly normal working relationship and his defence is such a tried and tested scumbag move I hope it doesn't work

it's usually safe to assume the opposite of whatever the LAPD says

also a wide gulf between "couldn't find a report" and "there was no report"

it's usually safe to assume the opposite of whatever the LAPD says

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otm lol

Anti-Flag have broken up in the middle of a European tour, apparently because the singer is a rapist.

JESUS

I spent way too much time trying to like this terrible band as a teenager, because they seemed to be on the right side of things - which is exactly what they (or at least he) wanted us to think - fuck

I doubt this is an anomaly in the fat wreck world either tbh

Eh, not that I have any desire to defend Fat Wreck since we all know Fat Mike himself is an awful creep at best, but that's a bit of a weird jump since Anti-Flag only released 2 of their 13 albums on that particular label.

But, yeah this is awful, I also spent time trying to get into them, had an ex-girlfriend in the late 1990s/early 2000s who absolutely loved them. I've lost touch with her, but I'm wondering how she's taking this news.

bands are often not who they pretend to be, and it's sometimes easier when you're a lower profile act that isn't going to be as closely scrutinized. I remember an article in Guitar magazine in the 90s (when the term 'feminazi' was omnipresent) by a guitarist who described her recent audition for a band, who had outwardly presented themselves as somewhat progressive and forward thinking, especially when it came to feminism, and yet after her audition they told her that her image didn't fit the band, and she asked "what image?" and they said "female".

she didn't name the band but I figure there's a lot of masquerading like that going on.

I remember how fucking livid I was when Cee-Lo's rape allegations occurred, and then his even worse response to them

OK scratch that if you want but I don't think it's a wild leap and I could say the same about epitaph or whoever these scenes are rife with this kind of shit xps

I'm not arguing with you and you might be right, but I think time has proven that you can literally say that about any male dominated genre of the last fifty years, just saying I'd prefer to focus on the actual accusations in front of us instead of imagined ones.

dr bad religion seems to be doing fine since his webcam activities apparently predated awareness of the concept of consent in the punk scene

Fuck this guy forever though. No singer ever deserves to come back from this, but it's even harder for someone that once wrote a song called, "Feminism Is For Everybody (With A Beating Heart And A Functioning Brain)", for just one example.

xpost is there any documentation of that, as I've tried to find details on that for years and all it's lead to me is ancient message boards and circular references

this is all I find

https://www.reddit.com/r/badreligion/comments/mpfupp/the_webcam_incident_nsfw_i_guess/

I remember it breaking on punknews and largely being received with a bunch of sesquipedelian dick jokes - who knows if those articles still exist now - people calling it out at as creepy the time were drowned out by the hilarious "process of relief" gags

wouldn’t call Anti-Flag part of the “punk scene,” they’ve always been a very commercial band with a commercial sound, but ymmv— not that the actual “punk scene” is that much better, of course

I think time has proven that you can literally say that about any male dominated genre of the last fifty years

pretty much yeah

(3 month xpost) why the fuck do sweet trip even have new fans? that band always sucked. reading through reddit, what a bunch of weirdos.

Sounds like Lizzo is in the crosshairs right now.

Anti Flag is the corniest dork band of all time

American version of Idles?

oh god Anti Flag is a thousand times cornier than Idles

Anti Flag is basically the band version of the annoying freshman guy that read half a chapter of Zinn and Chomsky each and now cannot shut the fuck up about it

Um whats the news about Lizzo?

see her thread

thanks

freshman in college or high school?

lol, not sure it matters. and i even say that as someone who was trying to get into Anti Flag around 1998/99 since the girl i was dating at the time loved them.

i loved them, i saw them live in 1998, i was 13 and I remember feeling weird about the show. it felt more “bro-ey” than other shows i had been to, punching the air about being against “the government “ and of course i had a lot of fun, but left feeling weird about A-F as a band and never really listened to them again! it’s strange how seeing a band live can sometimes do that.

they did a split with The Dread that year on which they covered Mission of Burma, so in some way they changed my life because MoB did a lot for young table

Um whats the news about Lizzo?

Charges against Till Lindemann of Rammstein dropped

Berlin’s public prosecutor’s office on Tuesday said it had dropped its sexual assault investigation into Till Lindemann, the frontman for the rock band Rammstein, citing a lack of evidence.

The investigation began in June after several women said that Mr. Lindemann had plied young people with alcohol and drugs before, during and after concerts in order to have sex with them. Lawyers for Mr. Lindemann denied those claims in a statement and threatened legal action against those making the claims and news outlets reporting on them.

“I thank all those who have waited impartially for the end of the investigation,” Mr. Lindemann, 60, posted to Instagram on Tuesday.

When the German news media reported on the allegations of impropriety against the leader of one of the country’s most successful modern music groups, commercial partners ended their ties with Mr. Lindemann. Universal, which distributes Rammstein’s music, said it would stop any promotional activities. And politicians condemned the described behavior.

“We need more awareness about abuse of power and sexualized violence, and not only in the music industry, but in the whole cultural industry,” Claudia Roth, Germany’s culture minister, told Der Spiegel, a newsweekly, adding, “The times of foul machismo combined with abuse of power up to sexualized violence should really and definitely be over.”

According to the prosecutor’s office, however, it was impossible to substantiate the reports against Mr. Lindemann because so many accusations were made anonymously. Kaya Loska, a prominent influencer who had described her experience backstage during a concert in 2022, was interviewed by prosecutors. But they said she was of little help because she did not witness any crimes being committed.

“It was therefore not possible to sufficiently substantiate any allegations of the crimes, nor was it possible to gain an impression of the credibility of the alleged injured parties and the believability of their statements during questioning,” Sebastian Büchner, who speaks for the public prosecutor’s office, wrote in a statement.

Shelby Lynn, a former fan of the band, helped make the allegations public when she posted on social media about her experience at a concert in Vilnius in May, during which she believed she was drugged. Ms. Lynn took her complaint to the Lithuanian police, but they declined to investigate.

Long RS piece with many detailed (and horrible) stories about the Anti-Flag guy: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/anti-flag-justin-sane-1234817170/

jfc

that was a hard but an important read

also a good reminder to keep a healthy skepticism for musicians/artists who appear to 'tick all the right boxes'. which is hard when you're so desperate to have positive allies in the music industry

i have listened to 16 (out of 17) seasons of Something Was Wrong podcast and this guy seems like a carbon copy of the guy from S14, who was outed by name on the podcast and was an enormous piece of shit who hid behind his work with a socially conscious media company.

beware the charismatic man who says all the right things

jesus that article was sickening

what a fucking scumbag

the band broke up immediately after the first allegation a few months ago but considering the timespan in this story and their statements after - it really makes you question whether they and other people around the band truly didn’t know what was going on. not a single person looked out for these women, it’s devastating.

it really makes you question whether they and other people around the band truly didn’t know what was going on

it's impossible they didn't know stuff was going on imo

maybe I'm naïve but I don't think that's a given. I'm guessing they suspected something uncouth was happening but they didn't know for sure and wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt

I don't know, it's not like Anti-Flag was likely ever "every member riding solo in their own tour bus" successful, particularly during those 90's years where he was also doing awful stuff. It's pretty hard to imagine a group touring that closely together, while he was pulling this shit on tour, not having at least some inkling that he was up to sketchy shit.

the fact that many of these incidents were occurring at their shows, i kinda find that hard to believe.

The women, alongside some of the band’s fans, also chastised the other band members for failing to take an immediate hard stance against Geever publicly or even acknowledge the blind eye they may have turned, as three women claim some of the members were present when Geever brought them on tour, backstage, or on the tour bus as teenagers and young women. “They knew how young everybody was,” Rebecca, who dated a then-25-year-old Geever as a 17-year-old in the late 1990s, claims. “There was a clear boundary that he kept crossing over and over that should have raised flags for everybody.”