OOOPS at the bum link. Should have been this permalink: commercially disappointing major label rock/alternative albums of 1996
― got it in the blood, the kid's a pelican (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 30 May 2023 17:52 (one year ago) link
For some reason, anytime I've been in a casino in the past 15 years I've heard "Soak Up The Sun."Whoops, that was from her next album after the s/t.
Whoops, that was from her next album after the s/t.
Actually it was from two albums after s/t. There was also The Globe Sessions with "My Favorite Mistake", which followed s/t.
― MarkoP, Tuesday, 30 May 2023 19:06 (one year ago) link
> For some reason, anytime I've been in a casino in the past 15 years I've heard "Soak Up The Sun."
Compensating for the lack of windows?
― Terrycoth Baphomet (bendy), Tuesday, 30 May 2023 19:16 (one year ago) link
"My Favorite Mistake" is my Crow jam.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 May 2023 19:17 (one year ago) link
More like song is the equivalent of pumping (more) pure oxygen onto the gaming floor.
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Tuesday, 30 May 2023 19:17 (one year ago) link
xp
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Tuesday, 30 May 2023 19:18 (one year ago) link
I heard both those songs in the last month, "All I Wanna Do" specifically last week on an oldies station during a road trip― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, May 30, 2023 9:44 AM
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, May 30, 2023 9:44 AM
you actually listen to the radio, whereas i actively avoid it. so fair enough!
― my beard exists more than i do. (Austin), Wednesday, 31 May 2023 00:33 (one year ago) link
Funny, Biffy Clyro are exactly the kind of band I imagine doing well in America. They're basically the 2000s Bush, aren't they?
― Do I look like I know what a jpeg is? (dog latin), Wednesday, 31 May 2023 09:27 (one year ago) link
No, because nobody here knows who bush are as they sold fuck all in the UK while those shitehawks Biffy Clyro have sold shitloads here
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Wednesday, 31 May 2023 10:16 (one year ago) link
biffy clyro have such a weird trajectory as a band and have released a lot of insufferable garbage but their second album is a pretty decent emo album
― ufo, Wednesday, 31 May 2023 11:13 (one year ago) link
never heard Biffy Clyro, name is vaguely familiarBush came out during the high alternate rock era though, very different time
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 31 May 2023 11:21 (one year ago) link
they're kinda like if foo fighters were scottish, had a mathy post-hardcore phase early on, and got really into overwrought balladry after blowing up
― ufo, Wednesday, 31 May 2023 11:30 (one year ago) link
Only thing I know about Biffy Clyro is that their guitarist and bassist each had a signature model guitar from Squier. I tried listening to them once and they made absolutely no impression on me.
― peace, man, Wednesday, 31 May 2023 12:17 (one year ago) link
For every post-2010 New Jersey suggested, invariably the fans pop up with "what are you talking about, there was never a decline, they are as big as ever and still culturally relevant, streams/likes/views are at an all time high".
Justin Bieber, Beyonce, Katy Perry, Taylor Swift, Rihanna, Kanye West, Pitbull, Eminem, Jay-Z, Snoop Dogg, Drake, Adele, Bruno Mars, Ed Sheeran, Lady Gaga, Ariana Grande, Nicki Minaj, Kendrick Lamar, Calvin Harris, Post Malone, Imagine Dragons, Coldplay, The Weeknd, Lil Wayne, none of them apparently have a New Jersey.
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 31 May 2023 12:45 (one year ago) link
Certified Lover Boy by Drake is imo the most classic New Jersey of recent years
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 31 May 2023 12:47 (one year ago) link
Only thing I know about Biffy Clyro is that their guitarist and bassist each had a signature model guitar from Squier.
This must feel like a slap in the face tbh - "hey we've already got an Yngwie signature Strat, you can be the face of our budget brand"
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 31 May 2023 12:47 (one year ago) link
Maybe but 2021 feels pretty far removed from peak-popularity-Drake - maybe it's his Keep The Faith?
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 31 May 2023 12:56 (one year ago) link
In BC's paaaartial defence the amount of slowies they did after they blew up is no more than, say, Muse. Of their five ubiquitous hits from 2008-2010 only one was a ballad - albeit a shitty one that was quickly becoming the Kerrangcore Wonderwall/Angels/Chasing Cars until the X Factor nipped it in the bud.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 31 May 2023 12:59 (one year ago) link
I've said this before and I 'll say it again, Drake is an artist where almost every album of his feels like a New Jersey. I think VIEWS might be the best candidate.
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 31 May 2023 13:04 (one year ago) link
This must feel like a slap in the face tbh - "hey we've already got an Yngwie signature Strat, you can be the face of our budget brand"― Siegbran, Wednesday, May 31, 2023 8:47 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Siegbran, Wednesday, May 31, 2023 8:47 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
I dunno, I actually thought it was cool that they'd do a signature model for people who can't afford to shell out $2,000 or whatever. J. Mascis has a Squier signature Jazzmaster too! It's just I'd never heard of Biffy Clyro before the guitars came out and only rarely since then.
― peace, man, Wednesday, 31 May 2023 14:18 (one year ago) link
Just played through a few Biffy Clyro tracks, having never actually heard them, and they sound like a heavier update of Runrig.
― like the vengaboys with music degrees (Matt #2), Wednesday, 31 May 2023 14:30 (one year ago) link
Squiers have a good reputation now and honestly I don't think there's any advantage to the MIM stuff unless you just have to have it say Fender on the headstock
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 31 May 2023 14:33 (one year ago) link
― MarkoP, Wednesday, May 31, 2023 8:04 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
2019's scorpion was prob his biggest album tho. he was atop the billboard charts for like half the year with "god's plan," "nice for what," "in my feelings"
― ludicrously capacious bag (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 31 May 2023 15:17 (one year ago) link
off-topic, but "god's plan" might be one of the blandest, least memorable mega-hits of all time
I just learned that in Canada Views was certified 6x Platinum, while Scorpion was only certified 2x Platinum, whereas in the US, Views was certified 6x Platinum, while Scorpion was certified 5x Platinum. This might be why I have thought of Views as being a much bigger deal than Scorpion.
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 31 May 2023 15:50 (one year ago) link
Drake also has songs that are other people's songs technically, like "Going Bad" w/Meek Mill or "Sicko Mode" w/Travis Scott that feel more like Drake songs than the other artists' that were hugely popular
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 31 May 2023 16:41 (one year ago) link
Neither it or its predecessor Riptide broke the 3xPlatinum threshold and its chart position was nothing special, but in its own ways Heavy Nova still gives off elements of NJ.
(Sorry for bumping with a non-NJ but I can't shake the thought. The album was feels designed to do as well as possible.)
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Monday, 21 August 2023 20:29 (one year ago) link
Yeah, I'd say it qualifies were it not for the sales threshold. It's clearly trying to be Riptide: The Sequel except Palmer wrote and produced the whole thing himself (as he tended to do pre-Riptide).
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 August 2023 20:34 (one year ago) link
lol "Simply Irresistible" only made it to #2. Kept out of the top spot by "Sweet Child o' Mine"
― hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Monday, 21 August 2023 20:41 (one year ago) link
He also moved (up) from Island to EMI, did five music videos (two of which have AtL homages), pretty much everything perhaps except make the actual album too long.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Monday, 21 August 2023 20:45 (one year ago) link
I feel like the album's analogue should be Winwood's Roll with It, which actually did better. But it just seems less NJ-brash somehow.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Monday, 21 August 2023 20:47 (one year ago) link
Heavy Nova has "Early in the Morning," another of his credible electro-R&B covers.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 August 2023 20:50 (one year ago) link
happy 35th to the original
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 19 September 2023 22:18 (one year ago) link
Hah just remembered one restless night not too long ago deciding that Red Dwarf's Back in the Red was a UK TV New Jersey.
As you were.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 20 September 2023 02:00 (one year ago) link
cult acts have a different but similar arc involving albums that seemed like potential breakthroughs that weren't in hindsight, shit like that deserves its own thread― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:40 (eleven years ago) bookmarkflaglink
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:40 (eleven years ago) bookmarkflaglink
I think Bossa gave the perception that they'd only likely be a marginal concern going forward, rather than breaking through into the mainstream.In the slipstream of Doolittle, it kinda seemed anything was possible.That WOULD be a nice separate thread.― mr.raffles, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:43 (eleven years ago) bookmarkflaglink
That WOULD be a nice separate thread.
― mr.raffles, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 19:43 (eleven years ago) bookmarkflaglink
If this never became its own thread it still should.
It also made me think of how Feeder's Pushing the Senses was their biggest album in the UK, or had the best first week sales anyway (made no. 2), and was the moment that they seemed to finally seemed to settle in the UK (Q are quoted on wiki as saying it could finally establish them as "major league players"). Whereas today it's 'the one that everyone bought and cannot remember why'. After their successive hits compilation, also a big hit, they fell off a cliff commercially forever. Only 'Feeling a Moment' survives - although I did hear all but forgotten top 5 lead single Tumble and Fall playing on the radio in a charity shop recently.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Thursday, 21 September 2023 01:47 (one year ago) link
Feeder were utter shite
― Toshirō Nofune (The Seventh ILXorai), Thursday, 21 September 2023 08:27 (one year ago) link
Their britrock brothers in christ Ash have something rarer - a genuine bouncing back album, where after having fell from grace after their moment had seemingly passed they went and made an album that was as big as their breakthrough, if not bigger, and crucially were made to be 'relevant' again, and achieved more one actual hit. Not that Ash ever were mega-MEGA sellers but that's a number one album we're speaking, to go with the one they had back in 1996. Larger-scale versions of this are Californication and American Idiot and maybe not much else. Born in the USA?
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Thursday, 21 September 2023 16:30 (one year ago) link
Oh and, on a similar level to Ash, Embrace's Out of Nothing
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Thursday, 21 September 2023 16:35 (one year ago) link
for failed intended breakthroughs, i was reminded of GVSB's freak*on*ica (mentioned upthread), but maybe it was the more common "indie act jumps to major label and faceplants" scenario.
― omar little, Thursday, 21 September 2023 16:39 (one year ago) link
"Indie" bounce backs similar to Embrace and Ash...
Blur Parklife (though this was already in process during the MLIR era)The Charlatans S/TKaiser Chiefs EducationSuede Coming Up (DMS went gold but they were very much on the periphery relatively speaking by the end of that campaign)
Must be more?
― mr.raffles, Thursday, 21 September 2023 21:17 (one year ago) link
Really great examples there. Although I'd argue Education cannot count as it was only as big as, say, Off with Their Heads. Charlatans' Britpop rebirth is a strong yardstick for this, particularly as it lasted a long time.
AM's AM is probably up there. And although it probably cannot count, the first Black Grape was Ryder's own bouncing back. Stanley Road-era Weller - numerous, still-famous hits prepping up his best-seller - is some sort of bouncing back except as only his third solo album there isn't a clear point before that you can point to except the wishy washy generalisation '80s Jam and mid-period Style Council'.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Thursday, 21 September 2023 23:18 (one year ago) link
was ash’s bounce back album free all angels? nu-clear sounds completely smokes it, imo, especially the US edition with the shuffled track list and “a life less ordinary”
― brimstead, Thursday, 21 September 2023 23:40 (one year ago) link
Yeah FAA abruptly (and probably quite unexpectedly) moved them back to the centre, following Shining Light and Burn Baby Burn (which, along with Girl From Mars, I feel are their three most famous in the UK). I do get the impression that, nicely for them, a lot of it honestly probably was down to just people - radio and the public - taking to those songs so much. Because was their initial profile or promotional gambit of the period necessarily any stronger than that which Nu-Clear Sounds had? I don't get the impression they were. (Nu-Clear Sounds has a distinct lack of obvious single material imo, but I guess for them it's the Dog Man Star to Free All Angels' Coming Up.)
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Thursday, 21 September 2023 23:52 (one year ago) link
I don't understand how Parklife could be considered a bounceback?
― Stomp Jomperson (dog latin), Friday, 22 September 2023 01:32 (eleven months ago) link
Parklife is really it's own thing where their own 1991 success became wholly overshadowed/steps to the main event.
It was success in 1991 though. A proper hit single
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― you can see me from westbury white horse, Friday, 22 September 2023 02:18 (eleven months ago) link
(idk how that happened)
Parklife was a bouceback because Blur were in the wilderness starting w "Bang". They basically lost all their casual fans (most of their fans would have been casual at this point)... then slowly gained new "real" fans when ppl twigged how enjoyable MLIR was. But that def took time. 1992 wasn't that fun of a year for them, I'd imagine?
― mr.raffles, Friday, 22 September 2023 03:00 (eleven months ago) link
The situation is similar to Radiohead in America (not the UK where the Bends was soon enough a bona fide hit)
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Friday, 22 September 2023 03:04 (eleven months ago) link
(The somewhat odd thing with the Blur story is that Bang actually precedes Leisure by a month. Goodwill from TNOW wasn't enough to sustain another hit single but the album then went on to do fine.)
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Friday, 22 September 2023 03:07 (eleven months ago) link
What's the situation like in the US with Heart? I'm looking at Bad Animals' performance and wondering if that could be one? Sure there's 'Alone' but even New Jersey has 'Bad Medicine' so I don't know if I'd be right to dismiss the notion solely on that.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Monday, 13 November 2023 07:11 (ten months ago) link