looool judging by the Reddit response even the Swifties are starting to turn on her over this constant milking the fans for different versions of the album
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 24 May 2023 22:30 (one year ago) link
Terrible day for people that are me https://t.co/rd4wD4kHEO pic.twitter.com/ULz1DqCoSb— MAStermind (@samisntokay) May 24, 2023
― Indexed, Thursday, 25 May 2023 16:08 (one year ago) link
No copy of the debut, no credibility
― Day 1 fan (morrisp), Thursday, 25 May 2023 16:13 (one year ago) link
Gotta click on the image. Looks like they have 6?
― Indexed, Thursday, 25 May 2023 16:40 (one year ago) link
Taylor Swift Is Dating An Alleged Racist — And Is Now Using A Black Woman To Cover Her AssHer remix of "Karma" with Bronx rapper Ice Spice reeks of damage control and exploitative PR strategy.
By Cambria RothMay 25, 2023, 11:36 AM EDT
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/taylor-swift-ice-spice-karma-collaboration_n_646f6a21e4b0a7554f3d5b98
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Thursday, 25 May 2023 16:50 (one year ago) link
xp I stan corrected
― Day 1 fan (morrisp), Thursday, 25 May 2023 16:58 (one year ago) link
my friend brought this up yesterday but i guess i am sorta disappointed that the guy who got greta thunberg to record an intro for his record is dating miss private jet plane
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 25 May 2023 17:00 (one year ago) link
The Root is on it too.
https://www.theroot.com/why-is-taylor-swift-doing-a-song-with-ice-spice-1850475314
Reason #47 not to date Matty Healy. But I'm sure she'll get a lot of songs out of it.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 25 May 2023 17:20 (one year ago) link
Quite a thread here:
Before I leave for NYC, here is my thread on seeing Taylor this weekend while she is dating a racist, Islamophobic, anti-semitic overall problematic white man. While I don't necessarily "owe" anyone this thread, it is important to me to take my public leadership seriously.— Holly Stallcup (@HollyStallcup) May 25, 2023
― Day 1 fan (morrisp), Thursday, 25 May 2023 17:21 (one year ago) link
All that said I still think it's better for her to do a collab with Ice Spice than not, regardless and because of the circumstances.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 25 May 2023 17:25 (one year ago) link
putting aside how stuff like that huff post article reveals the extent of these ppl's disordered relationship w/ this celebrity, the logic doesn't even make sense. the "controversy" was completely dormant so why would she revive it and blow it up to massive proportions... as a PR strategy?
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 25 May 2023 17:27 (one year ago) link
perhaps what she really cares the most about is money. no that can't be it
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 25 May 2023 17:28 (one year ago) link
Not sure about PR strategy, but people were mad that Healy was yucking it up over jokes about Ice Spice being Eskimo on that cumtown podcast, so I guess doing a collab with Ice Spice would mute that?
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Thursday, 25 May 2023 17:43 (one year ago) link
well it has done the opposite
idk if i like this automatic assumption that swift's business decisions have anything to do with the reputation of the guy she's dating
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 25 May 2023 17:44 (one year ago) link
this is an incredibly surface-level gotcha, which is why reputable outlets like the 2023 huffington post are running with it
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 25 May 2023 17:45 (one year ago) link
people were mad that Healy was yucking it up over jokes about Ice Spice being Eskimo on that cumtown podcast, so I guess doing a collab with Ice Spice would mute that?
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Thursday, May 25, 2023 1:43 PM (two minutes ago)
i just find this logic completely incongruous. maybe taylor swift is actually very dumb, but it's hard for me to believe that she does not understand the basic concept of the streisand effect. the idea that taylor swift would think "if i put ice spice on a remix, people will forgive me for dating someone who made racist jokes about ice spice" ... i think this reveals more about the critical thinking skills possessed by the writer than the celebrity, i'll just put it that way. you (not you specifically, president keyes) might think like a fifth grader but that doesn't mean taylor swift does too
& also what brad said. not only is she one of the biggest pop machines in music history but she is particularly famous for cultivating the idea that every little thing she does is carefully, deeply calculated. that she would make artistic/financial/reputational decisions based on a podcast controversy attached to a guy she's been dating for what a month? i find it fascinating that so many of her stans -- even (especially) the otherwise well adjusted adult ones -- seem to not understand a single thing about her
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 25 May 2023 17:56 (one year ago) link
I also thought that, like, a foundational tenet of Swift fandom was that she shouldn't be judged by whom she is dating / has dated.
― Day 1 fan (morrisp), Thursday, 25 May 2023 18:06 (one year ago) link
(I should never attempt using "whom," b/c I think I always end up using it wrong)
― Day 1 fan (morrisp), Thursday, 25 May 2023 18:08 (one year ago) link
― Day 1 fan (morrisp), Thursday, May 25, 2023 2:06 PM (fifty-nine seconds ago)
yeah. well what's happening is that this story is causing a head on collision between two tentpole beliefs held by lots of (younger) pop fans these days. those positions are 1. women celebrities should not be defined by the men they date 2. good celebrities are deeply engaged w/ politics, speak out at any and all opportunity about oppression & those who don't are failing their fans and complicit in upholding said oppression. you can't have it both ways w/ this controversy
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 25 May 2023 18:19 (one year ago) link
i just hope we get that "post-rock joni mitchell" collaboration matty talked about wanting to make a while ago
the "controversy" was completely dormant
was it though? i don't think the swifties have taken a break from melting down about matty's crimes on the adam friedland show since the news broke, but yeah i agree that if there's any calculation from swift here it's the streisand effect not some sort of weird damage control
i do wonder if matty's realised yet that getting him in hot water was the entire joke to friedland etc.
― ufo, Friday, 26 May 2023 00:45 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CnUYMmEHrs
"more lana del rey" does deliver on its promise and the new mix is a noticeable improvement too - the piano really makes it sound fuller
― ufo, Friday, 26 May 2023 05:03 (one year ago) link
If Taylor Swift chooses to be in a relationship with a dummy who makes racist comments about blacks and Inuit, then yes, underneath the savvy business decisions, she is an idiot.
― A. Begrand, Friday, 26 May 2023 13:44 (one year ago) link
lol here we go
― ufo, Friday, 26 May 2023 13:46 (one year ago) link
Taylor Swift might be an idiot, idgif either way, that Twitter thread made me jump out the window a couple days ago.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 26 May 2023 13:50 (one year ago) link
the correct response to it
― ufo, Friday, 26 May 2023 13:56 (one year ago) link
"Karma is defenestration ... "
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 May 2023 14:01 (one year ago) link
Can't we just all come together and blame Jack Antonoff for everything?
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Friday, 26 May 2023 14:11 (one year ago) link
yeah. well what's happening is that this story is causing a head on collision between two tentpole beliefs held by lots of (younger) pop fans these days. those positions are 1. women celebrities should not be defined by the men they date 2. good celebrities are deeply engaged w/ politics, speak out at any and all opportunity about oppression & those who don't are failing their fans and complicit in upholding said oppression. you can't have it both ways w/ this controversy― J0rdan S., Thursday, May 25, 2023 1:19 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
― J0rdan S., Thursday, May 25, 2023 1:19 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
good post
― Indexed, Friday, 26 May 2023 14:22 (one year ago) link
Yeah. Partly explains why the Swifties in my life are perplexed (one thinks Matty is terrible, the other is a fan of the 1975 and gets that his current schtick is a bit, however bad a bit).
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 May 2023 14:52 (one year ago) link
the friedland show stuff is about the only time i've felt disappointed in matty but the game of telephone with the swifties is really something
― ufo, Friday, 26 May 2023 14:59 (one year ago) link
who is adam friedland and why are they trading in aughts-era "comedy" racism
― Every post of mine is an expression of eternity (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 26 May 2023 15:27 (one year ago) link
former co-host of the podcast "cum town", vaguely chapo trap house-adjacent but not really political. the whole cum town/now friedland show schtick is juvenile ironic edgelord offensive humour shit, but somehow they've managed to keep it at that and not actually turn into frothing reactionaries? which is very unusual for vaguely left edgelord podcast hosts
― ufo, Friday, 26 May 2023 15:49 (one year ago) link
really it's just completely absurd that it's at all relevant to explain any of this in the taylor swift thread lmao
― ufo, Friday, 26 May 2023 15:56 (one year ago) link
Or that the Washington Post is covering it
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Friday, 26 May 2023 15:57 (one year ago) link
yeah that's even more ridiculous
― ufo, Friday, 26 May 2023 16:01 (one year ago) link
So apparently Matt Healy watches racist torture porn against black women....https://t.co/OqbyVPYXrN— ⟭⟬ darth voider ⟭⟬ (@THISlSVOIDED) May 12, 2023
Was this all part of a joke or does Healy actually appreciate this vile form of “media.” Doing offensive accents or whatever is one thing, but I read this and felt confused and disturbed.
― treeship., Friday, 26 May 2023 16:11 (one year ago) link
TW: if you read the whole thread, your day will be ruined. But I think it’s relevant to post this here bc *this* I think is why people are grossed out by him. Not the comments about Ice Spice.
― treeship., Friday, 26 May 2023 16:13 (one year ago) link
Was this all part of a joke
i'm not listening to the podcast but i feel comfortable saying: yes, he was on cumtown
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 26 May 2023 16:21 (one year ago) link
it really depresses me how stupid things like this distract us from what's really important, which is the music.
― budo jeru, Friday, 26 May 2023 16:29 (one year ago) link
like, we need to focus on her music and how much it fucking sucks
Ice Spice is not a good rapper. So I'm finding that out.
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Friday, 26 May 2023 16:32 (one year ago) link
Yeah, the new "Karma" seems worse in every respect. "Snow on the Beach" has Moar Lana as advertised, I guess, but...
― Day 1 fan (morrisp), Friday, 26 May 2023 16:42 (one year ago) link
i bothered to listen to the bit of the podcast and the context is one of the cum town guys telling a story about matty watching the racist porn after they hung out, and he's pretty clearly just going along with it and riffing with them. it's not a funny bit at all, completely reasonable for people to be offended even by joking about that, but with any context at all it's pretty clear you shouldn't take any of it at face value
but people are indeed mad at pretty much all of it, not just that. they're mad even at other stuff too like him nazi salute during a live performance of "love it if we made it" which is pretty obviously commentary on trump & kanye with any context at all
― ufo, Friday, 26 May 2023 16:54 (one year ago) link
Where does the "Islamophobic/antisemitic" charge – in the first tweet of that insta-famous Twitter thread linked above – come from?
― Day 1 fan (morrisp), Friday, 26 May 2023 16:57 (one year ago) link
antisemitism: nazi salute during showislamophobia: i cannot remember the details of this at all bc it happened more than five possibly almost ten years ago but he did get in hot water running his mouth off on twitter about something. iirc he apologized?
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 26 May 2023 17:00 (one year ago) link
The Islamophobia thing was in reaction to this (from 2019):
“Nowadays, I honestly think, if you’re piously religious–if you’re dogmatically faithful–you should be kind of ashamed of yourself,” says Healy. “I’m bored with certain religions as well because certain racisms are aligned with them."
“You can’t criticize Islam as a set of ideas…because you’re inherently criticizing people. But that’s a problem with society because Islamophobia does exist, people are bigoted. But what that really is is thick, scared people not liking brown people. Whereas I love people, I love brown people.”
He continues: “I just don’t know when I’m allowed to be offended. Religious people are always allowed to be offended: ‘Oh, we’re offended by this, I’m offended by that.’
“I have to get up every day and read some abhorrent that’s happened in the name of religion. And I never get a day. I never get a day where I’m allowed to be offended. … Where are my rights as an atheist?”
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Friday, 26 May 2023 17:02 (one year ago) link
yeah, exhausting position imo
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 26 May 2023 17:05 (one year ago) link
i guess even with all of this he comes off more to me as "guy who talks a lot of shit" instead of "irredeemable racist and anti-semite" but ymmv
just hate that this is getting so much airing in a t swift thread
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 26 May 2023 17:09 (one year ago) link
Where are my rights, as an Evermore fanatic, to be offended by this Midnights era getting exhaustively drawn out & attenuated... I really hope she regroups artistically when she comes off the tour.
― Day 1 fan (morrisp), Friday, 26 May 2023 17:14 (one year ago) link
hopefully we get that collaborative "post-rock joni mitchell" album matty dreamed up a while ago
― ufo, Friday, 26 May 2023 17:22 (one year ago) link