Hip Genres & Musical Styles: Which Is The Worst??

and i appreciate kate's internet cult(ure)-informed thoughts because i willfully ignored all that shit forever and i can get the cliff's notes on shit like why "the kids" sleep on bill evans.

(never heard fukui, checking out now. two tracks in and yeah these guys definitely dug sunday at the village vanguard)

i'm not dissing the quality of (most) posts, i'm just saying i never have the fucking energy to keep track of it all

ahhhhh, i'm old, "keeping track of it all" hasn't been a goal of mine for a while. i just pop in and obsessively track a thread for a day or so and then i get bored and ghost for a week or a month or six months.

the only way to do ilm afaic

ha I feel that exact same way about private press SSW stuff, by a wide margin (sorry ian)

― broken breakbeat (sleeve), Thursday, 18 May 2023 21:26 (yesterday) link

you don't need to apologize to me, buddy. the vast majority of that stuff is terrible! but like in all types of music there are plenty of lovely records.

"Japanese" free jazz

jazz critics shitting on Bill Evans, now I've seen everything

Thank you for the laughs, message board

Bill Evans rules

"jazz critics"

A certain kind of Country Rock deserves mention here, I think - Gram Parsons, Gene Clark, Mike Nesmith, ppl like Townes Van Zandt, the more obscure stuff on the Numero Wayfaring Strangers series. Some overlap with the private press singer/songwriter stuff I guess.

Yeah that’s a viable choice. My personal gripe with that stuff is that people will gobble it up but ignore every $2 kris kristofferson record, say. Whatever!

Kristofferson rules. But yeah it's a genre where the uber hip and the uber not hip (Eagles, Linda Ronstad) rub shoulders.

Gram Parsons, Gene Clark, Mike Nesmith, ppl like Townes Van Zandt

these are all great though

lol well yeah, I don't think I dislike any of the music discussed itt

Once again.., it’s all good!! Which is what baked it a funny question. IMO.

"jazz critics"

― xyzzzz__, Friday, May 19, 2023 8:32 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

it is my understanding that a person who writes for Downbeat and has authored several books on the subject of jazz and jazz artists is a jazz critic but please correct me if I am wrong

I was just getting mad online, don't worry, no correction required.

^^^ this is the vibe

^^^ this is the vibe

"Japanese" free jazz

― xyzzzz__

one of my least favorite genres is j-jazz, because first off it's just fucking jazz, these guys played with the american jazz groups, masabumi kikuchi was gonna be in a group with miles, joe henderson is backed by japanese musicians on _in japan_, making its distinct genre to me carries a whiff of inferiority which isn't really warranted. but more importantly the genre name sounds like a stutter - speaking as someone with a speech impediment i'm sensitive to that kind of shit

"jazz critics"

― xyzzzz__

again i don't like jazz critics, but only because the only jazz critic i can think of is nat hentoff, who's also a big name in libertarianism

unless you count charles mingus's shrink, do they count as a jazz critic?

otm.. especially the point about RYM/Evans/Fukui. J-jazz is a sub-genre of anime soundtracks.

i collect rare obi strips

"one of my least favorite genres is j-jazz"

Btw I was mostly joking. I don't really know about j-jazz I was mostly talking about guys like Takayanagi and Abe who, from what I've read, were fairly hostile to the conservation-y nature of jazz in Japan and wanted to carve out their own space. It was mostly done by the late 70s but I approached jazz in Japan through them.

joe henderson is backed by japanese musicians on _in japan_

this album smashes btw

also i'm gonna start using the genre tag e-jazz to describe people like bud powell, dexter gordon, and sahib shihab. the "e" can stand for "european" and "expatriate."

(which also raises the question: where's the hipster love for sahib shihab goddammit!?)

an obi strip really classes things up imo

has anyone ever cosplayed as an obi strip?

I think that the term J-Jazz may have come from those comps by BBE records, and those I don't think wanted to isolate it as a genre, just put the spotlight on some cool overlooked stuff.

Reddit types who listen to those and no US jazz are exoticizing idiots tho yeah.

i made a handy explainer for the hierarchies of j jazz

https://i.imgur.com/u9Bm5Rw.png

heh otm

even more embarrassment, i wrote makoto but meant osamu

makoto are from LA, they also shred but in a different sort of way

i endorse these prime exponents of j jazz, although only the first is "japanese" in the sense that ryo kawasaki is "japanese"

https://www.discogs.com/master/277545-Osamu-Kitajima-Osamu
https://www.discogs.com/master/408145-Makoto-Makoto
https://www.discogs.com/master/17647-Jade-Warrior-Floating-World

makoto are from san francisco, sheesh i should just hang it up

jade warrior are British… or am I ruining a joke

i think tlg is flawlessly trolling this thread. keep up the good work, friend.

i don't think tlg is trolling so much as this thread trolls itself

jade warrior is british, makoto (the band, if not the namesake bandleader) is from west coast of usa, i said only osamu is japanese, i am not trolling and unironically love all those albums, what’s not to understand

this album smashes btw

― my beard exists more than i do. (Austin)

can confirm!

xpost- just joshin trying to keep things light =)

i don't think people don't listen to bill evans because he's not _cool_ enough, i think they're just not aware! he's not part of the canon. it's a variation on "paul mccartney was in a band before wings" syndrome. when my generation found jazz it was often through _kind of blue_, but these days, if you're going through recommendation engines or whatever, it's just as likely to be _scenery_. i don't think it's a bad thing necessarily that everybody knows about _plastic love_ (when the same technology means that everybody knows about, say, matt walsh, it's more of a problem). i also don't think continuously revising the canon is a bad thing overall. i guess it's more personal grief, that lots of youngsters these days will get to know ryo fukui but won't necessarily get to know bill evans. i think that's a shame. there was a time, you know, when everybody loved bill evans.

"bill evans is ypur favorite pianist's favorite pianist."

ypur

proper trolling.

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

no one talking about spiritual hat jazz itt is a big branding failure on my part

or, if you think about it, unimpeachable success

thank you to everyone for voting, this is my master's thesis

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

someone actually voted "JAPANESE" lmao

also who's the stick in the mud that voted dub? you also hate ice cream too, you absolute killjoy? sheesh.

finally, are we to surmise that the ones that received 0 votes are still the pinnacle of musical fashion?

I can live with these results. The one person who voted tropicália gets jail for a thousand years obv.

industrial being number one is very unexpected. it strikes me as the least fashionable of all of these! or I guess, most fashionable, but only in a way where it hasn't really had its moment yet. 99% of people I know--music nerds included--still seem to think of trent reznor as someone who emerged fully formed from nothing (nb under gen x years old)