Hip Genres & Musical Styles: Which Is The Worst??

boogaloo is early (mid 60s?) joe bataan, ray baretto, eddie palmieri, harvey averne, joe cuba, tito puente, sabu martinez, willie bobo, etc etc

Exactly. It's a specifically New York music, too, blending Latin rhythms and horn styles with soul, R&B, early funk and even rock 'n' roll and doo-wop. The evolution from bugalu to salsa is something I wrote about last year.

FTR, although there's a lot of Brazilian music I don't like, there's a lot that I do like, and for some reason a couple of different editors think I know a fair amount about it, so I've been able to write about it at some length in the past few years for The Wire and Bandcamp Daily, interviewing Flora Purim and Hermeto Pascoal and reviewing a lot of the weirder albums from Azymuth members and whatnot. And I interviewed one of the brothers from Os Mutantes about 15 years ago. Just to say that I'm not a total ignoramus when it comes to this shit — I just have preferences.

Another preference I have is that I would prefer not to listen to Bill Evans if possible. Sorry!

re: hard bop, I often think of an particular exchange between OP* and a certain JAPANESE author buying dozens of hard bop LPs from him. I really don't know why tbqh... but anyways when I saw said author a few days later I asked him about hard bop and he said at the cafe he owned he had over 10k LPs for customers to choose from and he wanted to have options to even the most picky/prickly clientele.

*<3u iaîn

Not the one that mixes yacht rock songwriting/singing with death metal drumming?

xp

― Random Restaurateur (Jordan)

i can't say for sure we're not talking about the same record!

xp wow way to JAZZ KISSA AND TELL

Another preference I have is that I would prefer not to listen to Bill Evans if possible. Sorry!

― but also fuck you (unperson)

it wasn't a universal thing. i guess i'd say i'd be genuinely curious to hear from someone who likes ryo fukui but has heard and doesn't like bill evans as to what they think fukui has that evans doesn't!

Cilantro-swing is my favorite genre

I'm not familiar with Fukui at all, but I generally don't have much use for that nodding-out/don't-wake-the-baby style of jazz piano... put your whole forearm into it, I say!

what they think fukui has that evans doesn't!

Obscurity?

my deep apologies to the genre of Tropicalia, clearly my uninformed vote in this ilx poll has caused great harm to so many

― sarahell, Thursday, 18 May 2023 bookmarkflaglink

Thank you

Not the one that mixes yacht rock songwriting/singing with death metal drumming?

xp

― Random Restaurateur (Jordan)

i can't say for sure we're not talking about the same record!

Ok, I have a very clear memory of listening to this record online (and I think posting it somewhere to ILM), but now I can't find it anywhere and it's making me think I hallucinated it. I think Greg Fox was on drums???

Tropicalia today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXX6L_fXuzk

Just to say that I'm not a total ignoramus when it comes to this shit

fair enough. i have been to Brazil many times, heard lots and lots of Brazilian music from all eras, collaborated on music with, and then supported Os Mutantes and helped run a Brazilian reissue label, but would still consider myself pretty much a total ignoaramus simply by nature of the depth and volume of music that has been made and released there, which is truly breathtaking.

hard bop is great!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b7/Hard_Bop_%28album%29.jpg

music is pretty great.

if u gonna bop u better bop hard

bill evans looks like a member of kraftwerk, no idea why he’s not more hip

engagement with a handful of artists and albums :

Tropicalia
Free Jazz!!
Musique Concrete
Northern Soul
Psychedelic/Acid Folk
Hard Bop
Dub
Japanese (Psych)
Garage
Dancehall

more than a handful:

Classic Indie Rock (1980-2000???? argue w me here please)
Krautrock
Industrial/Noise

no to minimal engagement, maybe one comp max:

Private Press Singer-Songwriter
Country Blues
West Coast Psychedelic Rock
English Folk
Ska (original only)
Salsa
Boogaloo

Original ska is awesome

it's all awesome, mostloy, that's why it's so fun

btw is it Garage Rock or UK Garage?

It's the Garage where they started Apple

hate to say to that unperson poster, but sorry, you're pretty dumb about brazilian music. if you say something as stupid as 'samba is soft', hate to tell you, you know shit.

which doesn't mean you can review albums by brazillian artists. just saying, be a bit more humble?

can't review, sorry

all music are bad

Write in vote for British

which doesn't mean you can review albums by brazillian artists. just saying, be a bit more humble?

― fpsa

turns out that unperson poster is actually actually jerry shirley, doesn't get much more humble than that

i do like hard bop but the thing i always think of is that my copy of john coltrane's "the olatunji concert" somehow got tagged as "hard bop". great hard bop record, that one.

Obscurity?

― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes)

that's the thing, it's getting to the point where fukui is better-known among a certain demographic than evans is...

Ok, I have a very clear memory of listening to this record online (and I think posting it somewhere to ILM), but now I can't find it anywhere and it's making me think I hallucinated it. I think Greg Fox was on drums???

― Random Restaurateur (Jordan)

nah i'm thinking of the newest fire-toolz record, the new liturgy record is really nice too tho (fox isn't on that one mind)

Yeah this was something else, it's driving me crazy

Genres missing:

Canadian novelty alt-rock
Swedish K-Pop
Nu-gaze
90s Tribute Album Remixes
Spoonman

the production on that O Pacto youtube xyzzzz posted is wild ... thank you!

That's baile funk, which just keeps getting better.

thanking you kate for this all time scold-

LISTEN TO MORE BILL EVANS MOTHERFUCKERS

and unperson for that link!

(also small chuckle at bill evans getting brought up and the cliche "BUT HE DOESN'T SWING!!" retort almost immediately following. "things repeat forever and there never is a remedy")

the worst industrial/noise is more unlistenable than the worst of anything else here, that's getting my vote

ha I feel that exact same way about private press SSW stuff, by a wide margin (sorry ian)

Fun fact:

"Now I didn't call the music I was doing `free jazz.' Someone [at the Atlantic record label] named it that, put a Jackson Pollock painting on it and called it `Free Jazz.'"

the production on that O Pacto youtube xyzzzz posted is wild ... thank you!

11/10.

I always mean to dig for more new baile funk on soundcloud, but there are some gems in these threads:

baile funk - search and destroy

rolling baile funk 2021

maybe wrong thread, but anyone wanting to hear bill evans doing not "LOUNGE PIANO MUSIC" check out living time. it may confirm your hatred of not only bill evans, but also free jazz! hooray!

around the same time as _symbiosis_ with the claus ogerman orchestra which isn't as "free jazz" as _living time_ but isn't quite lounge.

to me bill evans isn't just "lounge piano music", he's lounge piano music suffused with as much pain and loss as, like, gloria ann taylor

ryo fukui otoh just kinda sounds like lounge piano music for the "lo-fi hip-hop beats" generation imo. that's probably not fair to him, i'm old.

harsh but fair imo

also thanks for the vanguarda paulista link

idk how anybody expects to sustain a convo on a thread like this, i just sort of pop in and out

I sometimes collaborate with a Texan songwriter who lives in Maryland but who (I think by virtue of a diplomatic career) is decently well versed in Brazilian music and frequently writes and sings in Portuguese.

This may have been the only time I have combined bouzouki and bodhran, only to be completely drowned out by a lead triangle.

https://www.reverbnation.com/ceroe/song/32457769-bom-dia-neila

idk how anybody expects to sustain a convo on a thread like this, i just sort of pop in and out

― budo jeru, Thursday, May 18, 2023 3:00 PM

idk i kinda like it!

and i appreciate kate's internet cult(ure)-informed thoughts because i willfully ignored all that shit forever and i can get the cliff's notes on shit like why "the kids" sleep on bill evans.

(never heard fukui, checking out now. two tracks in and yeah these guys definitely dug sunday at the village vanguard)

i'm not dissing the quality of (most) posts, i'm just saying i never have the fucking energy to keep track of it all

ahhhhh, i'm old, "keeping track of it all" hasn't been a goal of mine for a while. i just pop in and obsessively track a thread for a day or so and then i get bored and ghost for a week or a month or six months.

the only way to do ilm afaic

ha I feel that exact same way about private press SSW stuff, by a wide margin (sorry ian)

― broken breakbeat (sleeve), Thursday, 18 May 2023 21:26 (yesterday) link

you don't need to apologize to me, buddy. the vast majority of that stuff is terrible! but like in all types of music there are plenty of lovely records.