Eurovision 2023

juries mostly made up of boring conservatives, but sometimes act as a check and balance against public "voting for the narrative" trends, in short the voting is the boring bit of Eurovision i just turned off when the songs had finished

like watching an ILM poll work itself out in real time

don't really remember the details of last year but wasn't it the public vote that gave Ukraine the Eurovision Being Invaded Is Bad award?

Doesn't the narrative around various entries start at the latest several weeks before the contest? And aren't most viewers unaware of these narratives anyway? If there was a narrative around the Portugal entry for example I wasn't aware of it. This year both the public and jury votes were in accord regarding the winner and the act that came last. (German entry: glam + Rammstein = Glamstein? I'm not going to get a chance to make that joke again)

Missed it for once. Last year saw the demise of the usual whining about how everyone hates the British because

1. The Empire or sumthin'
2. Brexit
3. They're just jealous

So I wonder if it'll make a comeback in spite of Boris Johnson being canonised in Kyiv and the UK handing out missiles to the Ukraine like sweeties (and making sure everyone knows about it).

Why shouldn't the UK be handing out missiles to "the" Ukraine like sweeties?

take it to the rolling proxy wars thread

Finland was joyous - the true winner obv. The crowd shouting "cha cha cha" at random points throughout the night made it feel like a moment.

I wonder if there's any good writing about the effect of rules changes on songs and staging - e.g. those video effects that you can now do at the beginning, I don't think anyone really worked out how to make use of them; the introduction of prerecorded backing vocals seems to mean that the "six people on stage" budget is getting spent on dancers rather than singers hiding at the rear of the stage.

Good page for looking at stats: https://eurovisionworld.com/eurovision/2023

There would have been plenty to complain about in a public-only vote too, but I'm still seething about Sweden beating Finland.

don't really remember the details of last year but wasn't it the public vote that gave Ukraine the Eurovision Being Invaded Is Bad award?

― contrapuntal aversion (Noodle Vague)

This was a good thing, not a bad thing.

'Stefania' being actually good helped a lot

Couldn't understand the love for the Israel and Italy entries.

Very slickly professional and competent-as-such enough to win a ton of jury votes, plus a little televote love. Unsurprising in the end.

I am absolutely not getting the love for Hannah Waddingham, at all. She was truly awful in every way.

She's getting the dads to watch it.

Speaking as a dad, I love her, but in my experience it is the mums who are her core constituency.

i liked her as a host, personally

Norton looked pretty grumpy a lot of the time but did laugh at his "it's juries, not Tinder" line.

Oh, Hannah Waddingham was the SHAME nun from Game of Thrones, knew there was something she was familiar from

yeah it took me a little while to realise that also

Guess you don't watch Ted Lasso, then?

Her mugging for the camera and "posh totty" persona just rubbed me up the wrong way completely. She reminded me of being 18 and meeting women who would say "oh I LOVE gay men let's be bffs!!!" because they expected us to be constantly quoting Mean Girls and singing Kylie

I am absolutely not getting the love for Hannah Waddingham, at all. She was truly awful in every way.

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