Nick Cave : Classic or Dud ?

or if it does they really need to grow thicker skin. The world is burning - the country is descending into authoritarian fascism. Put your delicate male pattern bald issues aside please!

sorry that was a bit strident. I'm not having a go at anyone on here, including sarahell

....kind of feels like you are having a go at sarah tbh

do you really think so? I disagree. Had a got at the post maybe but I can't see any ad hom there

To our love, let all the pink-eyed pigeons coo
That people, are a badfish, too

i think it also becomes a distraction ... which, yeah, i guess we need our distractions ... but, i just remember all the comedians' jokes about Trump having small hands or being fat, and it's like, ... ok, Comedian, you have all this attention on you where you can criticize this horrible evil man in power, maybe you can say more about the horrible evil things he does and the systems that are complicit and the people that are complicit, because there are certainly jokes to be made there ... idk

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This is just funny given how you often seem to refuse to think about things in a structural sense, Sarah.

Anyway, this isn't Trump. Nick Cave gets far more defenses than Trump does, but he will also (unlike Trump) disappear from the news cycle tomorrow.

making fun of a man for dying his hair is extremely different than making fun of someone's body size, come the fuck on

if he was some kind of jovial character nobody would care about such trivialities. But SERIOUS ARTIST who brownnoses royalty and courts libertarian right wing media dyeing their hair is just begging to be dragged!

this is a low

Apologies for any offence caused by my stupid dye-baiting post, I just thought NC is well on the way towards looking like cricket legend Tony Lewis and he needs to be told.

Almost dyed my her

guy wrote a song about Sophie Turner's colorist

ima bust in here to talk shit abt his wife's fascism fashion house, whose site i've just perused

the dresses are awful, Mormon Lamé trash, but the true evil lies in the cutesy little "The Mercy Seat" charm

An 18ct yellow gold, white gold and diamond electric chair.

£3k for this. so a ruling class parasite can bedeck itself with an edgy token of a gruesome method of torture/execution, which is still being used to murder (almost exclusively lower class/mentally ill, that's so weird) prisoners to this very fucking day

the mindless hatefulness of this. like a sparkly swastika or some shit. fuck. "the vampire's wife", yeah no shit you fucking ghoul.

xp also “Black Hair”, so

I recall reading that Cave put a swastika on one of The Birthday Party ep covers and come out with some shit about how it's a fascinating symbol "like a wheel of destruction" - not a direct quote but from memory of reading an old NME when I was 15 so possibly unreliable.

jesus wept, though. Mrs Cave seems a completely bloody awful person as well

xp that would be the sleeve of The Bad Seed which I don't care to post here, but the swastika/Hakenkreuz is the entire cover design.

oop actually it's also prominent on the Mutiny! sleeve, classy stuff.

well at least he grew out of the nazi edgelord stuff in his 20's and progressed onto more adult themes like murdering women!

All her jewellery pieces are named after Cave songs. Jesus, show a bit of originality Mrs Cave!

I think both of the Birthday Party final e.p.s have a lot of catholic imagery as well as the swastikas. & I did just note that the Mutiny sleeve one has been reversed to make it represent an N in the word Mutiny being spelt out across the bottom of the sleeve,& isn't the negative symbol the hackenkreuz since i thought the Swastika was a traditional symbol symbolising divinity/spirituality or I had though life/vitality and had been used widely facing either direction, including by Carlsberg up to the time of the war. I think they bookended their brandname with one facing either direction.

Bad Seed has the swastika partially obscured by a burning heart image and possibly as much so by the photos of teh band members' faces. Symbol is still there of course.
There had been a usage of teh symbol for shock value during punk but I thought people had copped onto its negative association outweighhing a momentary suspension of disbelief or whatever. This was 5 years later so would think it was possibly past its sell by date. Can see how it works as part of teh design I guess, but is it worth it.

I was going to add that teh Confederate battleflag which also has severely negative connections has been widely used for various bands. It seemed to be picked up as an anti establishment symbol at one point and bands including the MC5 used it as stage decoration. You can see it in the photo of them that is on the cover of the Teenage Lust set on Total Energy . The one with Rob Tyner lying on his front and Fred Smith dropped to his knees

the ahistorical use of the Confederate battleflag in the 70's rock imagery obv had an impact on the impressionable young wee Boaby G

I’m sure people like nick who are very concerned that people being criticised online will create a stifling and oppressive atmosphere of enforced consensus will have loads to say about the preemptive arrest of peaceful protesters at the coronation

it might even make for a good song lyric ... like how The Witness Song was about hypocrisy ... he could, draw on that, yeah....

sush now I like sue and her dresses. but the commodification of cave that has swept the culture has gotten rather tiresome. there are few better performers on stage though.

You know who's a jovial character whose hair I would never mock? Robert Smith.

"they've never done anything, they're fucking idiots"

it's going to be a week of total Royal mania for the #Coronation so here is Robert Smith to provide some balance 😌pic.twitter.com/aIfJKNB2Q4

— dave ❄️ 🥕 🧻 (@mrdavemacleod) May 1, 2023

I'm sure that's been seen a million times already, but he provides a reassuring contrast.

man that is glorious

all the love.

He’s such an idiot

The rock star does not agree with the way he was recently depicted in the New Statesman as a conservative, following news he would attend the coronation of King Charles. However, he said: “I have these days what I would call a conservative temperament” and is “conservative with a small c”.

he was on This Cultural Life last week and more than half of it felt like Nick Cave talking about his favourite subject, Nick Cave. He's probably one of his own most devoted superfans.

Twat with a large t.

xp I feel like I need to open a window every time I read any words of his

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzsmciMNAGU

which sort of sensible is cave do you think? enthusiastic starmer supporter? lib dem voter (paradoxically probably less bad than the rest at this point)? really just a straight up tory?

This Cultural Life had Gilbert & George on the previous week and tbf they talked about themselves a lot as well. But they were witty, amusing in places, had interesting things to say about events in their life and some good anecdotes/stories to tell. In short, the absolute opposite to Kick Knave who goes spelunking up his own arsehole every time a mic is put in front of him and a question is asked.

xp small c conservative I just parse as “straight up Tory”

he means it as distinct from being a capital c Conservative Party supporter though. starmer is absolutely a small c conservative for instance

Yeah, I know that? It’s a difference that is meaningless imo

he's probably wrote multiple blogs about how he, Nick Cave, is too much of a complex artistic genius to be constrained by the tribalism of UK parliamentary politics. But will vote Conservative every time for lower taxation reasons.

"This Cultural Life"

yes, that is the title of a weekly r4 program. What be your point?

well i left off 'voter'

I'm not familiar with the program in question but is the expectation that celebrity guests are not supposed to discuss themselves and their work?

xxp I listen to programs with similar focus, but I just hate that title so much, "This Cultural Life".

ah, yeah it does indeed suck.

xp

as I explained Gilbert & George did this in a more truthful and entertaining way, and went more into artists or artefacts that have influenced them and were quite amusing with it. Rather than this po-faced wanker droning on about himself at much greater length. Anyway, fuck him.

I think it was Gilbert who said he loved reading the Van Gogh letters when he was a kid, because he saw an artist "who unlike a lot of the artists around him - he didn't play by the rules and he won". That was a nice line. I couldn't quote you one memorable line of Nick Cave, because even when he talks about other artists or influences it's still all ultimately about Nick Cave.

https://www.theredhandfiles.com/how-do-you-feel/

I also have another impulse, which I hope is more common, and that is to treat everyone with equal love and respect, regardless of their race, gender, sexuality, religion or anything else. I essentially see the world as a collection of individuals, each unique in their brokenness, who have at their core a common and binding sameness of spirit. So, Amelia, although I am slightly uncertain as to where I am supposed to stand on such things, or rather why I am supposed to stand anywhere, I will say this – I love my trans fans fully and wish them the best, as I love all my fans and wish them the best. I feel toward them that same duty of care that I feel toward all those who exist within my sphere. I also wish for them to receive every right inherent to them and for them to lead lives of dignity and freedom, devoid of violence and prejudice. I wish these things as I wish them for all people.

Beautiful humanist statement from the Iron Lady there

I was gifted a copy of the Nick Cave and Seán O'Hagan interview book, "Faith Hope and Carnage," and I'm finding it surprisingly thought-provoking. Nick Cave's current disposition is as much of a surprise as Albini's turnaround, but I appreciate his newfound open-book qualities. His answers to various questions and prompts about grief, religion, the creative process and the like are often both profound and incisive.