Nick Cave : Classic or Dud ?

nonsense says the cis-male who didn't have to endure it in the same way?

I mean, seriously, hate the guy's music, fine. Hate the guy's politics, fine.

hating every aspect of the guy is fine as well

it's not like he's some vulnerable person, if anything the opposite according to rumours

I'm not joking. It makes me uncomfortable to see people I otherwise like behaving like mean girls idk

it's not like he's some vulnerable person, if anything the opposite according to rumours

― calzino, Saturday, May 6, 2023 1:07 PM (thirteen seconds ago)

i guess where i'm coming from is that as mortal people, we are all vulnerable in that sense ... aging, mortality ... attack the aspects of the person where they aren't, or, something

if you want to go down that road then even vile politicians and monarchs are vulnerable and life on public messageboards might become very dull

i agree - body shaming or looks shaming or whatever is never good. even if it's aimed at somebody who is worthy of contempt it touches on anybody who's ever had to endure it and it plays to the culture of worth being measured by looks

i understand the point you're making calz but i think that's the underlying issue with mocking aspects of people that aren't their character

vile politicians and monarchs are vulnerable and life on public messageboards might become very dull

we can still hate them for all the horrible things they do and say as a result of their vileness ... there's plenty of material there.

I don't feel like taking the piss out of the vanities of a daft old man goes into that category myself

I don't see body shaming, more like shaming the excessive vanity of the man here

there's a thin line between vanity and the insecurities most of us have tho

i think it also becomes a distraction ... which, yeah, i guess we need our distractions ... but, i just remember all the comedians' jokes about Trump having small hands or being fat, and it's like, ... ok, Comedian, you have all this attention on you where you can criticize this horrible evil man in power, maybe you can say more about the horrible evil things he does and the systems that are complicit and the people that are complicit, because there are certainly jokes to be made there ... idk

lol even my last post sounds bad tbh, but I find it hard to care in this case. I would never be like this with an ordinary citizen.

as a bald man who considered a hair transplant i think it's ok to comment on his hair. i'm a little jealous if truth be told. as a teenager i aped his hair for a fair while and all those industrial quantities of xxxx strength hairspray + crimping + intense backcoming are very likely a contributory factor in my lack of hair now.

granted this is just ilx and we don't have any real power or influence here so it's not a big deal but ... it does make me uncomfortable ... but then i am not being oppressed if I just don't read/participate in this thread so ... whatever, sorry i brought it up

i really thought the mercy seat lyric was "measuring of poop" until I looked it up just now

I'll just get my baldie credentials in. I was steadily receding since my 20's but it seemed to slow down and now I've still got more hair than some of the people who took the piss out of me. But ultimately if someone made a baldist comment at me I really don't care. And this creep really deserves to pilloried imo. It doesn't necessarily cause offense to other people taking the piss out of an old vain prick.

or if it does they really need to grow thicker skin. The world is burning - the country is descending into authoritarian fascism. Put your delicate male pattern bald issues aside please!

sorry that was a bit strident. I'm not having a go at anyone on here, including sarahell

....kind of feels like you are having a go at sarah tbh

do you really think so? I disagree. Had a got at the post maybe but I can't see any ad hom there

To our love, let all the pink-eyed pigeons coo
That people, are a badfish, too

i think it also becomes a distraction ... which, yeah, i guess we need our distractions ... but, i just remember all the comedians' jokes about Trump having small hands or being fat, and it's like, ... ok, Comedian, you have all this attention on you where you can criticize this horrible evil man in power, maybe you can say more about the horrible evil things he does and the systems that are complicit and the people that are complicit, because there are certainly jokes to be made there ... idk

― sarahell, Saturday, 6 May 2023 bookmarkflaglink

This is just funny given how you often seem to refuse to think about things in a structural sense, Sarah.

Anyway, this isn't Trump. Nick Cave gets far more defenses than Trump does, but he will also (unlike Trump) disappear from the news cycle tomorrow.

making fun of a man for dying his hair is extremely different than making fun of someone's body size, come the fuck on

if he was some kind of jovial character nobody would care about such trivialities. But SERIOUS ARTIST who brownnoses royalty and courts libertarian right wing media dyeing their hair is just begging to be dragged!

this is a low

Apologies for any offence caused by my stupid dye-baiting post, I just thought NC is well on the way towards looking like cricket legend Tony Lewis and he needs to be told.

Almost dyed my her

guy wrote a song about Sophie Turner's colorist

ima bust in here to talk shit abt his wife's fascism fashion house, whose site i've just perused

the dresses are awful, Mormon Lamé trash, but the true evil lies in the cutesy little "The Mercy Seat" charm

An 18ct yellow gold, white gold and diamond electric chair.

£3k for this. so a ruling class parasite can bedeck itself with an edgy token of a gruesome method of torture/execution, which is still being used to murder (almost exclusively lower class/mentally ill, that's so weird) prisoners to this very fucking day

the mindless hatefulness of this. like a sparkly swastika or some shit. fuck. "the vampire's wife", yeah no shit you fucking ghoul.

xp also “Black Hair”, so

I recall reading that Cave put a swastika on one of The Birthday Party ep covers and come out with some shit about how it's a fascinating symbol "like a wheel of destruction" - not a direct quote but from memory of reading an old NME when I was 15 so possibly unreliable.

jesus wept, though. Mrs Cave seems a completely bloody awful person as well

xp that would be the sleeve of The Bad Seed which I don't care to post here, but the swastika/Hakenkreuz is the entire cover design.

oop actually it's also prominent on the Mutiny! sleeve, classy stuff.

well at least he grew out of the nazi edgelord stuff in his 20's and progressed onto more adult themes like murdering women!

All her jewellery pieces are named after Cave songs. Jesus, show a bit of originality Mrs Cave!

I think both of the Birthday Party final e.p.s have a lot of catholic imagery as well as the swastikas. & I did just note that the Mutiny sleeve one has been reversed to make it represent an N in the word Mutiny being spelt out across the bottom of the sleeve,& isn't the negative symbol the hackenkreuz since i thought the Swastika was a traditional symbol symbolising divinity/spirituality or I had though life/vitality and had been used widely facing either direction, including by Carlsberg up to the time of the war. I think they bookended their brandname with one facing either direction.

Bad Seed has the swastika partially obscured by a burning heart image and possibly as much so by the photos of teh band members' faces. Symbol is still there of course.
There had been a usage of teh symbol for shock value during punk but I thought people had copped onto its negative association outweighhing a momentary suspension of disbelief or whatever. This was 5 years later so would think it was possibly past its sell by date. Can see how it works as part of teh design I guess, but is it worth it.

I was going to add that teh Confederate battleflag which also has severely negative connections has been widely used for various bands. It seemed to be picked up as an anti establishment symbol at one point and bands including the MC5 used it as stage decoration. You can see it in the photo of them that is on the cover of the Teenage Lust set on Total Energy . The one with Rob Tyner lying on his front and Fred Smith dropped to his knees

the ahistorical use of the Confederate battleflag in the 70's rock imagery obv had an impact on the impressionable young wee Boaby G

I’m sure people like nick who are very concerned that people being criticised online will create a stifling and oppressive atmosphere of enforced consensus will have loads to say about the preemptive arrest of peaceful protesters at the coronation

it might even make for a good song lyric ... like how The Witness Song was about hypocrisy ... he could, draw on that, yeah....

sush now I like sue and her dresses. but the commodification of cave that has swept the culture has gotten rather tiresome. there are few better performers on stage though.

You know who's a jovial character whose hair I would never mock? Robert Smith.

"they've never done anything, they're fucking idiots"

it's going to be a week of total Royal mania for the #Coronation so here is Robert Smith to provide some balance 😌pic.twitter.com/aIfJKNB2Q4

— dave ❄️ 🥕 🧻 (@mrdavemacleod) May 1, 2023

I'm sure that's been seen a million times already, but he provides a reassuring contrast.

man that is glorious

all the love.

He’s such an idiot

The rock star does not agree with the way he was recently depicted in the New Statesman as a conservative, following news he would attend the coronation of King Charles. However, he said: “I have these days what I would call a conservative temperament” and is “conservative with a small c”.

he was on This Cultural Life last week and more than half of it felt like Nick Cave talking about his favourite subject, Nick Cave. He's probably one of his own most devoted superfans.

Twat with a large t.