Nick Cave : Classic or Dud ?

Cave’s cartoon profanity is no more sophisticated or evolved than the bump’n’grind of gangsta rap

well now

I never said he wasn't bad, I'm just defending the music and will continue to, though yeah, that list of guests on the show, not great company.

I just feel strongly about some of these Warren Ellis albums, Push the Sky and Skeleton Key. And I'm not some life-long "stan". I like Mercy Seat in college and have always loved Henry's Dream, which he hates for some reason. But I felt no need to listen to anything else ever. Which is why those two records surprised me so much.

Don't want to get into the whole separating the artist and his work chat, I just thing some people are selling those albums short because he's an idiot.

Triggernometry

what kind of sicko freak willingly watches this shit…

Henry's Dream, which he hates for some reason

David Briggs doing air guitar in the control room window during takes apparently

I re-listened to the Live Birthday Party record I mentioned previously. It starts with a version of Junkyard where Cave is screaming I AM THE KING for a solid minute.

that's a really solid record ... as an American whose ancestors came to America from England back when England owned it, I think the whole royalty thing is absurd and a waste of money, not to mention the historical war crimes and oppression conducted in its name. As stupid as my country is, it has only taken us a few hundred years to get rid of a bunch of problematic statues ... idk why England hasn't gotten rid of the dumb royal family yet.

It’s because we’re so charmingly eccentric

Henry's Dream, which he hates for some reason

David Briggs doing air guitar in the control room window during takes apparently

― chr1sb3singer, Friday, May 5, 2023 10:49 AM (thirteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

henry's dream is so great also i'm sure those sessions where a great collision of pretend crazy vs. real crazy (briggs)

But back to Nick … he went through that romanticizing the American West phase, so I am not really shocked by this? Like, he is drawn to these “spectacles” and isn’t thoroughly critical of them. He’s a flawed dude who has made a lot of music I like.

henry's dream is so great also i'm sure those sessions where a great collision of pretend crazy vs. real crazy (briggs)

Totally, I have a feeling that Cave & Harvey thought they were going to get a window into genius of Neil Young & they did, but didn't realize it was going to be chopping up lines on the mixing desk

I can't pretend I care about Cave, but if you do, the tweet PaulTMA posted is def more potentially worrying than the coronation imo. I don't know if he's said anything terfy yet, but he's now in their orbit

xpost I tend to think the Live Seeds album is the intentional corrective to Henry's Dream (at the least, I prefer the versions on there) -- also credit to the Walkabouts among many other genius moves for taking a song from Henry's and covering it a year later to better effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2FE2eJmy8k

Linehan is absolutely desperate for allies and has gone so bananas he'll jump to any old conclusions

Cave attending an UnHerd event and posing with that lot might not be very encouraging though

Cave being an old man twit and more boring than not for the last 30 years can never take away hearing "Mutiny In Heaven" for the first time when I was 15 and listening almost exclusively to ska-punk.

...of course now I want to know what a ska-punk version of "Mutiny in Heaven" would sound like.

Nick Skave

The Birthday Skarty

The Skad Seeds

Murder Skallads

...I kind of regret those last two...

Skabbatoir Blues

Oh D-E-Ska-NA!

Never realized that was part of the Henry’s Dream experience, kind of echos what the Church ran into making Starfish with Waddy Wachtel.

Skanking Against The Pricks

The mercy ska

Sorry I only know like two nick cave songs

Push the Ska Away

Cave attending an UnHerd event and posing with that lot might not be very encouraging though

I had to look up who those guys were, but yeah, massively disappointing. I can't imagine him not knowing what he was getting into when he attended that.

FWIW, I wasn't a big Cave fan until recent years when it seemed like he was gaining a much bigger following in the U.S. (albeit well after his peak years, which for me probably extend up to Mick Harvey's departure). It really seemed like he was experiencing a critical re-evaluation in his favor, but I guess that's over.

It really seemed like he was experiencing a critical re-evaluation in his favor, but I guess that's over.

Are you kidding? This shit's gonna get him a cover story in The Atlantic.

I re-listened to the Live Birthday Party record I mentioned previously. It starts with a version of Junkyard where Cave is screaming I AM THE KING for a solid minute.

that's a really solid record ... as an American whose ancestors came to America from England back when England owned it, I think the whole royalty thing is absurd and a waste of money, not to mention the historical war crimes and oppression conducted in its name. As stupid as my country is, it has only taken us a few hundred years to get rid of a bunch of problematic statues ... idk why England hasn't gotten rid of the dumb royal family yet.

― sarahell, Friday, 5 May 2023 bookmarkflaglink

Good opportunity for you guys to celebrate 1776.

In the live record the last track is cover of 'Funhouse' which Cave introduces in a slightly post twang.

With Tracy Pew enjoying his bass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhecfKyKxfU

and without
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH2t6Q_QNmc

Had a great time at the @unherd Coronation party last night, good to meet the legend Nick Cave! God save the King 👑🇬🇧 pic.twitter.com/XWsbGvAbEE

— Billy (@billygoatideas) May 5, 2023

I’m a centrist because the real world is complicated and I don’t have all the answers. Fucking hate left wing people though, they’re dogmatic and disagreeable, but on the other hand I happen to find all my new very right wing friends rather agreeable (because I agree with them)

So glad I was never a fan of Morrissey, Van Morrison and now Nick Cave .. though tbf I did like the Birthday Party.

Congrats

Thanks!

From her majesty to eternity

Harry's Dream

The show I saw on the Push The Sky Away tour had Jubilee Street as like the 3rd song and it was unbelievable, one of the most extraordinary live music moments I’ve ever seen. I could have left at that point totally satisfied.

― umsworth (emsworth), Friday, October 18, 2019 8:50 PM (three years ago) bookmarkflaglink

I'm not a fan of Cave's whole "thing" for many reasons articulated well by others in this thread, BUT I also saw him on the Push the Sky Away tour and was similarly floored by "Jubilee Street," face utterly melted. He's undeniably a brilliant performer, but I very rarely have the urge to listen to any of his records. And when I do, it's usually Push the Sky Away because I associate it with that show. Incidentally Trey Anastasio and David Fricke attended that show together, seated a few rows in front of me (Beacon Theatre NYC).

feel like our lovely ska byway ended prematurely

And no-one saw the skarny go
And the weeks flew by
Until they moved on the show
Leaving his skaravan behind

And he calls to his mother
And he calls to his father
But they are deaf in the shadows
Of his brother's truancy
The good ska

I don't believe in an interventionist ska

Cave needs an intervention, but for reactionary beliefs, not drugs.

Push the Ska Away

― omar little, Friday, May 5, 2023 2:46 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

that and Skaleton Tree would be amazing reinterpretation albums

I don't think this is exactly what chaki wanted for his bday from ilx, but I guess it's a good enough celebration of our ilxor chum

I don't believe in an interventionist ska

The Ausraelites

looking aSkance at the youtubes posted on this thread!

Nick Cave pic.twitter.com/1hw8kqSFXg

— Jerseydeanne (@jerseydeanne) May 6, 2023