Nick Cave : Classic or Dud ?

not unlike Nick Cave's big brain in that respect

music's enlightened centrist pundit

Can the Nick Cave from 1981 attend the Coronation please?

https://www.discogs.com/master/20065-The-Birthday-Party-Live-81-82

^ that's the only thing with him in it that I really like.

I can remember that Australian bloke from - I think The Triffids - saying in an interview that The Birthday Party were all from frightfully posh public school backgrounds.

we don't have those here, cave & the rest of the birthday party (except howard) went to a posh private school together. none of that uk nonsense where 'public' means 'private'

i read an account of someone going backstage at a birthday party gig and expecting to see them writhing in blood and vomit, but they were playing bridge and dropping latin tags

which, i dunno, there's something i admire about it given the context

agreed but it also explains a lot about how we ended up here

Fuck Nick's "I'm-so-curious-about-inherited-wealth-and-privilege". This is the way to do it: https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/viewpoint/23495407.buckingham-palace---day-invited-tea

xp yep 100%!

I re-listened to the Live Birthday Party record I mentioned previously. It starts with a version of Junkyard where Cave is screaming I AM THE KING for a solid minute.

He should challenge Charles to a duel on Saturday.

JUst rechecked, the Venue date on the lIve 81-82 set is the same set that was intentionally mixed to show the flaws for Drunk On The Pope's Blood set. Minus Scott and Piece singing Danger Zone in The Heart of Missouri which started that set.
I thought there would be more archival material released since the ex-band members got teh right to their material back. Possibly an idds and sods collection like teh one that Drunk On The Pope's Blood was paired with on teh Missing LInk Records box set. I think there were remastered versions of Junkyard and the 83 eps sets released as vinyl with free cd but otherwise thought there would be more. The band members haven't disowned that era or anything have they?

I thought the interviews on Conan neutron's podcast indicated tehy were still pretty proud of what they had recorded so further surprise taht there hasn't been further expansion of what is around. Also looked like the Boys next Door/s/t Birthday party lp and Prayers on Fire weren't included in that vinyl plus free cd remaster. I thought the band had got all of their rights back so surprised those would be excluded.
Looks like Prayers o Fire has come out on Drastic Plastic since but I still play mainly cds when my machine works.

Although now I'm trying to imagine Blixa attending the coronation and can't quite manage it.

Didn't Blixa marry into a Chinese billionaire's family?

Hadn't heard the billionaire part but know he was living in China presumably due to his partner being from there.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Min_Zhu_(entrepreneur)

probably a billionaire or close

China is communist so that's ok.

Not to be all Save A Blixa but marrying someone who comes from wealth and participating in a celebration of feudalism not at all comparable situations imo?

Blixon in China

i didn't know Marc Almond had an OBE.

Marc, what was it like being appointed OBE at the age of 60? Did you meet the Queen? Dave, does Marc wave it in your face?

Marc: I initially had mixed feelings. Part of me worried the younger me would have despaired at how establishment I’d become. People who say they would never accept it have almost always never been offered it. After what I’ve been through, I thought it was amazing to be recognised. So I was gracious in accepting it. I mean, who would have thought it? One day you’re smearing your naked body in cat food at art college, the next you’re choosing terracotta pots at the garden centre. That’s how quickly life goes by. An OBE at 60 was great. I guess the palace never listened to most of my lyrics. Or maybe I was truly subversive and mischievous after all! I received my OBE from Prince William, who was very tall. It made my mum very happy and she got to go to the palace with me.

Dave: Initially we said: “Oh, do we have to curtsey? Do we call you sir?” Everyone was quite gobsmacked. I don’t believe in all the British empire stuff, but I’m very pleased for Marc on his behalf. He got to meet the future king, so that’s something to tell the grandkids, if you ever have any.

Yeah Marc leapt to mind yesterday as the one person I'd be all "You know I *am* onboard with looking askance at those who took the honours but there's a glaring exception I'd have to make..."

It made my mum very happy and she got to go to the palace with me

can't knock the hustle

https://i.imgur.com/CPdiDZW.png

Since April 2018, Kisin has been co-presenter of the show Triggernometry, a YouTube channel and podcast. The show is dedicated to free speech and open discussion on a range of controversial topics, featuring guests from diverse backgrounds.[6] Guests have included Sam Harris, Bret Weinstein, Douglas Murray, Jordan Peterson, Destiny, Adam Carolla, Bill Burr, Andrew Doyle, David Frost, Theo Von, Coleman Hughes, Matt Walsh, Louise Perry, Peter Hitchens, Mark Blyth, Andrew Adonis, Diana Fleischman, Scott Adams, Laurence Fox, Carl Benjamin, Melanie Phillips, Rod Liddle, Julia Hartley-Brewer, John Curtice, Matthew Goodwin, Helen Dale, Calvin Robinson, Steven Woolfe, Geoff Norcott, Kathleen Stock, Paul Embery, Katharine Birbalsingh, Nigel Farage, Toby Young, Ariel Pink, and Debbie Hayton.[6]

So diverse!

Getting the feeling Cave is about to go full Morrissey

Endorsed by Linehan, it's not looking good for Nick Cave.

I think like with Morrissey some fools told him he was quite an exceptional artist in the 80's and he's believed that to be the case ever since. I'd have told him he sounds like a goth Vic Reeves singing in the club style and he's a vacuous poser and his albums are utterly ghastly.

Awaiting more posts about how he isn’t actually that bad and it’s everyone noticing it who’s wrong.

The despair of VHS keeping tabs on how people keeping tabs on how Nick Cave is wrong about things are wrong about things.

like many others have remarked his live presence is remarkable

stumbled into a 2008 grinderman show with no expectations and was blown away, caught the bad seeds a few times since, always great fun

well, shit looks like it's gonna be the full heel turn then

like many others have remarked his live presence is remarkable

People like what they like, but I watched that clip above (the duet) and felt nothing. Full-on "Really? This is your god?" territory.

I think by now it's well established that you don't like Nick Cave

Don't stop until everyone agrees, man

Oh, I'm in for the long haul. Hating Nick Cave hasn't been this much fun in years.

My sister in law sent me this takedown some years back

https://overland.org.au/previous-issues/issue-197/feature-anwyn-crawford/

Cave’s cartoon profanity is no more sophisticated or evolved than the bump’n’grind of gangsta rap

well now

I never said he wasn't bad, I'm just defending the music and will continue to, though yeah, that list of guests on the show, not great company.

I just feel strongly about some of these Warren Ellis albums, Push the Sky and Skeleton Key. And I'm not some life-long "stan". I like Mercy Seat in college and have always loved Henry's Dream, which he hates for some reason. But I felt no need to listen to anything else ever. Which is why those two records surprised me so much.

Don't want to get into the whole separating the artist and his work chat, I just thing some people are selling those albums short because he's an idiot.

Triggernometry

what kind of sicko freak willingly watches this shit…

Henry's Dream, which he hates for some reason

David Briggs doing air guitar in the control room window during takes apparently

I re-listened to the Live Birthday Party record I mentioned previously. It starts with a version of Junkyard where Cave is screaming I AM THE KING for a solid minute.

that's a really solid record ... as an American whose ancestors came to America from England back when England owned it, I think the whole royalty thing is absurd and a waste of money, not to mention the historical war crimes and oppression conducted in its name. As stupid as my country is, it has only taken us a few hundred years to get rid of a bunch of problematic statues ... idk why England hasn't gotten rid of the dumb royal family yet.

It’s because we’re so charmingly eccentric

Henry's Dream, which he hates for some reason

David Briggs doing air guitar in the control room window during takes apparently

― chr1sb3singer, Friday, May 5, 2023 10:49 AM (thirteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

henry's dream is so great also i'm sure those sessions where a great collision of pretend crazy vs. real crazy (briggs)

But back to Nick … he went through that romanticizing the American West phase, so I am not really shocked by this? Like, he is drawn to these “spectacles” and isn’t thoroughly critical of them. He’s a flawed dude who has made a lot of music I like.

henry's dream is so great also i'm sure those sessions where a great collision of pretend crazy vs. real crazy (briggs)

Totally, I have a feeling that Cave & Harvey thought they were going to get a window into genius of Neil Young & they did, but didn't realize it was going to be chopping up lines on the mixing desk

I can't pretend I care about Cave, but if you do, the tweet PaulTMA posted is def more potentially worrying than the coronation imo. I don't know if he's said anything terfy yet, but he's now in their orbit

xpost I tend to think the Live Seeds album is the intentional corrective to Henry's Dream (at the least, I prefer the versions on there) -- also credit to the Walkabouts among many other genius moves for taking a song from Henry's and covering it a year later to better effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2FE2eJmy8k

Linehan is absolutely desperate for allies and has gone so bananas he'll jump to any old conclusions

Cave attending an UnHerd event and posing with that lot might not be very encouraging though

Cave being an old man twit and more boring than not for the last 30 years can never take away hearing "Mutiny In Heaven" for the first time when I was 15 and listening almost exclusively to ska-punk.

...of course now I want to know what a ska-punk version of "Mutiny in Heaven" would sound like.

Nick Skave