License to POLL: Which is the best track on Bob Dylan's 'Infidels'?

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Somehow reminds me of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgA34GXWj0o

It’s Only Her Factory, Girl! (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 28 March 2023 12:57 (one year ago) link

Really?
― Naive Teen Idol,

Really.

the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 March 2023 13:00 (one year ago) link

I like the song fine, but that seems a little odd for a guy with Dylan’s songbook.

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 28 March 2023 17:09 (one year ago) link

Why? It's as great a song as any, and I've been blasting it since 1999. I'd rather listen to it right now than "Tangled Up in Blue."

the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 March 2023 17:10 (one year ago) link

Yeah, I think "Jokerman" is a great song. Maybe not one of my absolute favorites, or even my favorite from those sessions (I probably prefer "I and I," "Blind Willie McTell" and "Foot of Pride"), but it's one of his best from that era.

FWIW, here's Michael Bolton of all people on his collaboration.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/michael-bolton-interview-bob-dylan-steel-bars-912917/

I always wondered if Dylan did some songwriting collaborations just to pump up his cash flow - he hasn't shown any interest in Bolton's music before or after, but he knew Bolton's albums sold in a huge numbers, so even one co-songwriting credit is lucrative. (Not that he's strapped for cash, but when you get used to a way of living and have a lot of your money in various things, you don't want to cut back if you don't have to.) Besides songwriting collaborations, another trick he seems to use is getting big-selling acts to cover his songs, like when he pitched "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" to Guns n' Roses. (Rose: “Bob asked me, ‘When you gonna record ‘Heaven’s Door’? And I said, ‘I don’t know, but we really love that song.’ And he said, ‘I don’t give a fuck. I just want the money.’ True story!”) This was before Dylan had the Bootleg Series going at full speed and when his own new releases weren't catching on.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 28 March 2023 17:39 (one year ago) link

He co-wrote a song with Gene Simmons during this period too.

the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 March 2023 17:46 (one year ago) link

I was going to say his divorce might have had something to do with it, but that wasn't finalized until 1992. (I don't have any experience with it, but maybe the costs add up earlier?)

When people called the 1978 tour the alimony tour, that wasn't just a joke - he really was in need of money due to the cost of the divorce AND sinking in way too much of his own money into Renaldo and Clara. (Keeping the editing/post-production up and running for any film for two or three years will be very costly, much moreso when one person is bearing the expense instead of a large company.)

birdistheword, Tuesday, 28 March 2023 17:49 (one year ago) link

Simmons recalled in an interview with For Bass Players Only back in 2018 that everything started when he simply made a phone call. The musician said that he is a very linear person and he is delusionally fearless. Because of that personality, even that he was thinking ‘Why the fuck would he want to write with me?’ he decided to call Dylan’s manager because maybe for some reason he would like to. “Throw caution to the wind, and dive into the deep end of the pool. So I called his manager, a good guy, ‘“Hi, Can I speak with Bob?'”, the manager then replied: “‘What do you wanna talk to him about?'” and Simmons said: “‘I, uh, I want to write a song with Bob.”

All of the sudden, within two days, an unmarked van shows up at my house. Bob gets out with an acoustic guitar and tells his driver ‘I’ll see you at the end of the day’. We start strumming! It was just like that. And he was asking ME, and this is in the box set, ‘So, how do you write songs?’.

“Well, you know, I come up with stuff, and Paul writes stuff.” Bob replied: “Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then the other guys play it?”. Gene answered: “Well, I usually tell them what parts to play.” He goes, “You do?” And I couldn’t believe I was having this discussion. Yeah, we were talking about how we write songs. It’s still a life highlight, if you see what I mean.”

the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 March 2023 17:51 (one year ago) link

love the idea of Bob telling his van driver, "Pick me at 4, I'm writing with Gene here."

the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 March 2023 17:52 (one year ago) link

It was news to me that Lou Reed also wrote a Kiss song (or more than one?).

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 28 March 2023 17:55 (one year ago) link

I'd also rank "Jokerman" among my faves, fwiw

Xennial’s School for Jaded Oldsters (morrisp), Tuesday, 28 March 2023 17:58 (one year ago) link

‘Why the fuck would he want to write with me?’

Classic Gene

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 28 March 2023 18:00 (one year ago) link

Kinda reminds me: "Do you play jazz?" He asks his interviewer that in the monster Songwriters on Songwriting, and then describes how he sometimes uses patterns from jazz in writing--by which he may mean adaptation, since he said somewhere else, "First of all, I'm not a melodist." He says a lot of stuff, probably works different ways over the many years etc. Pretty good talk, anyway.
As for collabs, here are brief descriptions of five:
https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/bob-dylans-greatest-collaborations-100538/ Over on Rolling Bootlegs, I think, birdistheword prefers another version of "Brownsville Girl," with a different town in the title, doesn't like the punched-in guitar break, for inst., but I don't mind it, esp. in a patchwork song, from a conversation about trying to remember something in a Gregory Peck Western, also about swap meets etc.
Speaking of his work w Jacques Levy referenced in there, Claudia Levy launched a suit re royalities, but after D. sold his catalog, which. hmmm, don't know how that's turned out---anyway, good coverage here https://www.billboard.com/pro/bob-dylan-lawsuit-co-writer-song-catalog-sale/ (and good comments about that on bob dylan: desire, the poll)
More interesting to me: her friendship with Dylan, incl. before either had met Jacques--she introduced them---and some stuff about working conditions---she should write a book, however things go or have concluded litigation-wise---pretty good interview with her here:https://dylanlive.substack.com/p/jacques-levys-wife-explains-the-late

dow, Tuesday, 28 March 2023 19:11 (one year ago) link

Oh, re "Jammin' Me," collab w Petty mentioned in that Stone shortie: it was okay, in a predictable way, think it might have been on a 12" single I had w "Band of the Hand," which he may have written all of, though mainly effective as shuffle for group vocals which a movie reviewer compared to a screech own--it was for and recurred in a Michael Mann flick, of the same title as song, I think, pretty much just "Ban-nd of the Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand," with slide etc., but that was enough.

dow, Tuesday, 28 March 2023 19:23 (one year ago) link

screech owl, I meant.

dow, Tuesday, 28 March 2023 19:23 (one year ago) link

"Jammin' Me" was Petty and Campbel mostly; Dylan added a few pop culture lines.

the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 March 2023 19:34 (one year ago) link

I don't know if it's ilx, but Jokerman's chorus sounds like the Top Gun Anthem

Cinta Kaz is comin' to town (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 30 March 2023 02:28 (one year ago) link

"Jammin' Me" was Petty and Campbel mostly; Dylan added a few pop culture lines.

The Wikipedia history suggests Dylan’s lyrical contribution was more than that – tho he was apparently responsible for the Eddie Murphy/Vanessa Redgrave stuff which supposedly embarrassed Petty (and is for some reason not included in the Spotify lyrics).

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 30 March 2023 13:46 (one year ago) link

It might be why he rarely performed it (he also hates, incorrectly, Let Me Up).

the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 March 2023 14:10 (one year ago) link


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