PINK FLOYD

the wall is basically the perfect stage for high school angst and i find it difficult to reinhabit it as a result. i rewatched the movie the other day and aside from the cool animatics it kinda sucks!

One of the problems with The Wall is that it's really not clear who the bad guys are.

it's amazing how often wyman owns himself over the course of this thing

bad guys in the wall, ranked:

pink himself
the teacher
the record industry
the mom
the wife (rank misogyny)

whoops, forgot the war

Perhaps Wyman wouldn't know a bad guy if you inflated it and floated it across the stadium

Beeps turns 16 today !!!

For a late present, she asked if we could go to the Pink Floyd Laser Spectacular taking place at the city's performance auditorium. Well, sure. Why not.

It looks cheesy as hell, but you know, PFR. Thing that kills me is that the the Pink Floyd Laser Spectacular will be divided into two parts: It begins with the entirety of DSotM, complete with 3-D glasses (for lasers?) Fair enough.

But the second part of the show is going to feature music from The Wall ("glimmer" glasses for this one.)

IN WHAT WORLD would anyone want to listen to these two records back to back? To go from rainbow prisms and grandfather clocks to that goddammed FACE SCREAMING THROUGH THE BRICKS 100 TIMES.

In some ways, I'm sorry I'm going to go to this show sober, but in other ways, I'm most certainly not.

comments on that article are hilarious, but this one at least got a chuckle out of me "Captures the Pink Floyd experience rather well: over long, really pleased with itself and written by an insufferable prick."

I used to read Wyman regularly in the late '80s/early '90s in the Chicago Reader. He had his moments -- like calling out how critics routinely praised each new Stones album as "their best since Some Girls" while trashing the previous Stones album that had been hailed as "their best since Some Girls" -- but he seemed stuck in a pretty tiny comfort zone where everything outside of it was confusing and therefore wrong (see his contention that "Rock Lobster" was not influenced by Yoko Ono despite all evidence to the contrary). Reading the Floyd piece, it's nice to see that, 30 years on, he remains just as intellectually incurious and hapless as ever.

It would be funny if all the stick-up-ass critics from the 70s/80s got way into prog rock in their old age

Gilmour pulls a great-sounding guitar sound out of his ass

abra cadabra!

whoops, forgot the war

― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, March 2, 2023 6:51 AM

hate when that happens

Paintbox would be top 10 for me, easy.

"I open the door to an empty room, Then I forget....." is the most perfectly psychedelic moment of early PF.

pink floyd could bend the fabric of time itself because "the post-war dream" is just under three minutes but feels like ten.

Gilmour pulls a great-sounding guitar sound out of his ass

Careful with that ass, David

lol

I remember enjoying The Final Cut when my Floyd phase was at its zenith (about 8th grade/high school freshman), which is baffling in retrospect--what the hell did I know about Thatcher or "the post-war dream"? Still, it felt like a "grown up" record due to that, so probably made me feel smart. Similarly, I was unaccountably enamored with The Pros and Cons of Hitch Hiking.

(Apropos of nothing, I have spent a nontrivial amount of time thinking about guitar sound over the last four decades; I have determined that Gilmour's "secret" was moving the pickup selector in the opposite direction from the direction that almost everyone else moves it in. A lot of the time his vaunted "sound" is just using the neck pickup. Plus being Dave Gilmour.)

gilly had special modding to his wiring, was unique to him at the time. i think the big thing was the neck + bridge together, but people still do this

https://sixstringsupplies.co.uk/pages/gilmour-strat-wiring-mod

Tone is in the fingers, maaaaaan

Tone is in the fingers BUTT, maaaaaan

^^Fixed

to the tune of a famous dee-lite song

my controversial opinion is The Final Cut is the best Floyd album full stop.

Whaaaaaaaaaaat

Certainly controversial, I love it

I mean, it's not the best at being a 'best' Floyd album, but it is my favourite.

I was promised full stop! ;)

The full stop's still there it's just more words precede it. :)

I need to sit down

It's jarring when he gets to the top 10 and actually starts to praise songs in that article.

i listened to the pros and cons of hitch hiking for the first time last night and uh yikes. wish i had heard it at the height of my waters fandom, it just sounds awful to me now

so many fucking sound effects

The title track was the last great song Waters wrote, maybe a couple of things on his last record are almost as good.

the title track and "every strangers eyes" were the only two songs i really liked yeah, besides THERE WERE ARABS WITH KNIVES AT THE FOOT OF THE BED

i appreciate the ambitions of that record but sometimes i think roger waters makes records so he can force me to hear the sounds of passing traffic

“not now john” is my vote for worst pink floyd song tho

Mine is "Dogs of War", sorry Anthony Moore.

amused to death is imo much better than pros and cons and i'm genuinely shocked at how similar the production value is to the division bell (from the cover i always assumed this was waters' industrial album)

roger waters makes records so he can force me to hear the sounds of passing traffic

No cars in the 18th century, but the best parts of Ça Ira were the sound effects.

yeah was never that into Moore's contributions to Floyd, despite my thinking that Slapp Happy RULES. And his solo records. I have a feeling Peter Blegved is probably responsible for most of the great Slapp Happy lyrics, but Moore's solo albums are fantastic as well.

sometimes i think roger waters makes records so he can force me to hear the sounds of passing traffic

Tho, my favourite Pink Floyd song has the sound of passing traffic passim (!)

Can I also say I find The Dogs of War far too entertaining, probably for reasons other than intended. David's lumbering One of These Days/Welcome to the Machine piss-up with all his studio friends, panache Fairlight-y powerbolts turning into a dodo-dead slow-mo Quo boogie. Raises a smile from me anyway.

if anybody read my post about being repulsed by pros and cons of hitch hiking and assumed i’d be totally obsessed with the album within days, you were right

classic brad

Dogs of War as written and recorded by Alannah Myles

^ As if that wouldn’t rule.

gave the Final Cut a listen for the first time in a few years yesterday; I've always liked it more than most people do and I still kind of liked it, but I really hate how they've wedged When the Tigers Broke Free in there (that is a terrible song) and I really got tired of Waters' crazy-man laughs in the background this time.

also Not Now John musically is not that terrible though it's basically just Young Lust again. But the lyrics are beyond awful. WTF is this:

Hold on John, I think there's something good on
I used to read books but (but fucking what????)
Could be the news or some other abuse
Could be reusable shows (huh?)

Tho, my favourite Pink Floyd song has the sound of passing traffic passim (!)

― you can see me from westbury white horse

"crumbling land" is my favorite pink floyd song too

my latest floyd jaunt has taken me to the depths of jam-band hell and a band called "Dead Floyd". that's right, they play grateful dead songs _and_ pink floyd songs! ever wanted to hear what "dogs" would sound like if it were sung by bobby ace and sounded kind of sort of like "eyes of the world" but not really? yeah, me either. but! then in the middle they play "the other one" as if it were "sheep", complete with synth solo. and it sort of almost works? here, check it.

https://archive.org/details/dfloyd2018-06-16.flac.16

i'm starting to get really interested in jam-band dregs. like there's got to be some stuff that, even if it's not _good_, is at least fucked up to be interesting. you could do a really good "jam band hell" compilation... only problem is the amount of mediocrity you'd have to _listen_ to...

the final cut wikipedia entry has some interesting things in it

Tensions soon emerged, and while Waters and Gilmour initially worked together, playing the video game Donkey Kong (1981) in their spare time, they eventually chose to work separately. Engineer Andy Jackson worked with Waters on vocals; Guthrie with Gilmour on guitars. They would occasionally meet to discuss the work that had been completed; while this method was not in itself unusual, Gilmour began to feel strained, sometimes barely maintaining his composure. Kamen too felt pressured; Waters had never been a confident vocalist and, on one occasion, after repeated studio takes, Waters noticed him writing on a notepad. Losing his temper, he demanded to know what Kamen was doing, only to find that Kamen had been writing, "I Must Not Fuck Sheep" repeatedly.[2][18]

i love pros and cons of hitchhiking and radio k.a.o.s., solely based on the premise that they're supposed to be high concept / "annoying"(?) albums. going back to the "dated" discussion; those albums sound very dated by now but that's a case where i think it helps me enjoy them even more. they are also able to establish and envelope the listener in their own universe pretty quickly and convincingly. standard stuff for pf/rw, but i feel more connected to the worlds in those albums. granted, i'm not going to be like "THEY'RE CLASSICS!" but i've listened to (and really enjoyed) them a lot more than the wall or the final cut in my life. maybe i just like bad music?

amused to death is okay while it's on, but it's too long. i often forget it exists. i haven't listened to it since it was recent, but i remember thinking is this the life we really want? was at least his second best solo album and that the last 10 or 15 minutes of the record was probably his best run of songs since the wall.

it is, but I also haven't returned to it much after the month it was released. it came out and I thought "this is great!" and then never really wanted to to revisit it.

I used to own Pros and Cons — I think I listened to it once in high school, but it sounded like a really bad, boring radio play (maybe Waters should have collaborated with Joe Frank!) and I can't remember what any of the songs sounded like — but I had actually forgotten Radio K.A.O.S. (ugh, that title) and Amused to Death existed at all.