i hate takedowns but i have a personal stake in this
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 February 2023 14:24 (one year ago) link
i once had a review killed bc it wasn’t takedown-y enough, for instance
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 February 2023 14:27 (one year ago) link
i had to ask myself “what’s the last record i would’ve written a scathing takedown about” and i would’ve absolutely ripped to shreds that last arcade fire record they gave a 7
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 February 2023 14:30 (one year ago) link
Maneskin won Eurovision in 2021, and are a pretty big deal in Europe, but they even crossed over to the U.S. with their cover of the Four Seasons' "Beggin'."
― jaymc, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 14:30 (one year ago) link
the last genuinely negative p4k review I remember was the not dissimilar Greta van Fleet, who I've still never heard a note by.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 14:38 (one year ago) link
That was an xp to NA. All of that is the review, I guess I'm just saying I think they are culturally relevant. Biggest Italian act on the US pop charts since Eiffel 65, at least (who are also coincidentally back on the US pop charts courtesy David Guetta).
― jaymc, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 14:40 (one year ago) link
Larson wrote the GVF one too iirc. I wouldn't mind reading a vicious takedown every now and again, but I didn't think this was that funny
― rob, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 14:42 (one year ago) link
tl;dr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvZmRv6U_s0
― jaymc, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 14:44 (one year ago) link
Still think the first Jet review is funnier (and probably the best takedown of This Kind of Thing still on the site)
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 14:48 (one year ago) link
Huh, that may be the first Måneskin review I've ever seen. I just assumed the band manifested out of the ether or whatever, fully formed and (seemingly?) successful, like Greta Van Fleet. But I hate what I've heard on the radio, so appreciate the takedown concept of Wolfmother produced by Max Martin.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 15:02 (one year ago) link
I confess that I’d never heard of Maneskin until … today.
Too much music!!!!
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 7 February 2023 15:13 (one year ago) link
Unlike Greta Van Fleet, I've actually heard Maneskin multiple times on pop radio.
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 February 2023 15:27 (one year ago) link
I don't think I've ever heard them, but they're definitely one of those names that has been bubbling around for the last year or two.
― peace, man, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 15:38 (one year ago) link
i'd advise not checking them out
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 February 2023 15:39 (one year ago) link
They did SNL last year, too.
― jaymc, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 15:44 (one year ago) link
listening now, pretty bad stuff
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 February 2023 15:48 (one year ago) link
I often find his writing glib and dickish, but that piece is very good and exactly what that band deserves. It’s not just a takedown, it’s a well-reasoned and accurate description of their many flaws.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 7 February 2023 15:54 (one year ago) link
ILX is like “I’ve never even heard of Maneskin” and also “I can’t stop hearing about Wet Leg”
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 16:01 (one year ago) link
Any ilxor born before 1993 can’t have heard of Måneskin. All they know is Wet Leg, charge they phone, twerk, be bisexual, eat hot chip & lie.
― peace, man, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 16:04 (one year ago) link
was tempted to watch the eurovision performances but the awfulness of that "beggin" cover sticks in my craw
― sault bae (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 7 February 2023 16:10 (one year ago) link
I'm forever unsettled by the whole deathless 'sounds like an ad' punch down
i had never heard of Måneskin til this thread, but, after reading the first bit of the review, aren't they a huge band now? the 0.0's of liz phair and travis morrison were gross for a few different reasons, but one of them was that they were not that "big". Måneskin has 6.5 billion streams, which makes them one of handful of artists who can actually make money off of streaming. max martin is producing. plus, yikes they reaaaaaally suck
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 16:36 (one year ago) link
As someone who was known in his publication office (circa 2009-2011) for writing takedowns, I have to say I approve of this takedown. “Cirque du Soleil: Buckcherry” made me lol.
― Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Tuesday, 7 February 2023 16:37 (one year ago) link
Rock music is in such dire shape right now
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 16:43 (one year ago) link
needs to get back to basics
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 February 2023 16:45 (one year ago) link
Some great lines in this review! This made me laugh in appreciation:
“Cool kids, they do not like rock/They only listen to trap and pop,” he continues, hoping for more upvotes on his comment.
― listened to "Mississippi" one take too long (morrisp), Tuesday, 7 February 2023 16:56 (one year ago) link
i have no idea how anyone could've avoided "Beggin'" over the past year or two
― alpine static, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 17:00 (one year ago) link
It sounds absolutely awful but is actually getting some decent reviews elsewhere. (Kerrang gave it 4 stars for instance but I've no idea what the quality of Kerrang is like these days).
― groovypanda, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 17:03 (one year ago) link
anyway, this band stinks, and they *are* a very easy target (for P4k, at least / has RS reviewed?), and also we need more negative reviews. all these things are true.
― alpine static, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 17:03 (one year ago) link
In theory, Måneskin—in their politely iconoclastic, youthful, inscrutably European, anti-mainstream guise—might fit under that rubric Americans once knew as “alternative rock.” It was a genre that conferred—in accordance with the social bylaws of the ’80s and ’90s—that what you liked signaled what you did not like: By owning a Sonic Youth album, you displaced the energy that otherwise would have been consumed by a Spin Doctors album.
By owning one alternative rock album you displace the energy of a different alternative rock album.
― peace, man, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 17:04 (one year ago) link
"Don’t you wish Guitar Center could win a Grammy?" made me chuckle
― c u (crüt), Tuesday, 7 February 2023 17:05 (one year ago) link
only issue i have is there are so many bands which are too big, too plugged into the alt/indie industrial complex for pitchfork to dare slam them as hard as they deserve. anyway this band does deserve it obv.
― omar little, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 17:06 (one year ago) link
Yeah, punching up. Måneskin laughing all the way to the bank, a la Bon Jovi happily getting roasted by Triumph the Insult Dog. "Sick burns, Pitchfork." (throws leftover $200 burger topped with gold leaf in the trash)
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 17:10 (one year ago) link
At least THEY have the guts to make a statement song like Gasoline, not giving a sh*t about pleasing everyone.https://t.co/KF6w2sqZuo— KosiKosa (@KosiCosa) February 7, 2023
[Verse 1]You're nothing but gasolineStarting fires since seventeenSilver spoon in daddy's jeansYou go, "Four, three, two, one"Count it, count it downMister in a stolen dressYou're so dark, but you paint it redSoaking wet in your golden bedYou go, "Four, three, two, one"Count it, count it down
[Pre-Chorus]How are you sleeping at night?How do you close both your eyes?Living with all of those livesOn your hands?Standing alone on that hillUsing your fuel to killWe won't take it standing stillWatch us danceHow are you sleeping at night?How do you close both your eyes?Living with all of those livesOn your hands?Standing alone on that hillUsing your fuel to killWe won't take it standing stillWatch us dance
[Chorus]We're gonna dancе on gasolineWe're gonna dancе on gasolineWe're gonna dance on gasoline
― jaymc, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 17:16 (one year ago) link
has RS reviewed?
They pulled their punches a bit: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-album-reviews/review-maneskin-rush-1234661170/
― listened to "Mississippi" one take too long (morrisp), Tuesday, 7 February 2023 17:17 (one year ago) link
xpost Maybe better in Italian?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 17:19 (one year ago) link
Non sei altro che benzinaAccendere incendi da diciassette anniCucchiaio d'argento nei jeans di papàDici "Quattro, tre, due, uno"Contalo, contalo alla rovesciaIl signore con un vestito rubatoSei così scuro, ma lo dipingi di rossoBagnato fradicio nel tuo letto d'oroDici "Quattro, tre, due, uno"Contalo, contalo alla rovescia
(Pre-ritornello)Come dormi la notte?Come si chiudono entrambi gli occhi?Vivere con tutte quelle viteSulle tue mani?In piedi da solo su quella collinaUsando il tuo carburante per uccidereNon ce la faremo a stare fermiGuardaci ballareCome dormi la notte?Come si chiudono entrambi gli occhi?Vivere con tutte quelle viteSulle tue mani?In piedi da solo su quella collinaUsando il tuo carburante per uccidereNon ce la faremo a stare fermiGuardaci ballare
(Coro)Balleremo a benzinaBalleremo a benzinaBalleremo a benzina
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 17:21 (one year ago) link
Balleremo a benzina >>>> We're gonna dance on gasoline
― ArchCarrier, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 17:51 (one year ago) link
It's a metaphor.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 17:55 (one year ago) link
those lyrics look like they're written by someone who was exposed to leaded gasoline in their youth
― sault bae (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 7 February 2023 18:00 (one year ago) link
xps not punching down at the band, punching down on the idea of music that sounds like it could be in an advert. which is probably most music.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 18:06 (one year ago) link
idk, imo, there's a specificity to "music made for introducing the all-new Ford F-150" that's not equivalent to "music in any ad." The cologne commercial line is broader, and I don't personally have that stereotype in my head so it doesn't land, but even that is narrower
― rob, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 18:09 (one year ago) link
Yeah - obv plenty of ads use good music (that wasn't written specifically for ads), but the review is saying something different.
― listened to "Mississippi" one take too long (morrisp), Tuesday, 7 February 2023 18:14 (one year ago) link
"music made for introducing the all-new Ford F-150"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyVWQH7jIg8
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 18:20 (one year ago) link
xp But I don't really get where along the way this stuff has got so synonymous with adverts for, well, cars and cologne. The reality seems a bit different imo. I guess if it was me I'd just find another way to say 'sounds like polite focus grouped music'.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 18:22 (one year ago) link
if anyone is making a commercial for gasoline, i know just the song...
― sault bae (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 7 February 2023 18:22 (one year ago) link
One of my favorite jams (I think it did end up being licensed for a car commercial!):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcNcuGkhASw
― listened to "Mississippi" one take too long (morrisp), Tuesday, 7 February 2023 18:24 (one year ago) link
I know a pretty aggro song that would work well in a "Kerosene" commercial (#onethread)
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 18:27 (one year ago) link
Is there gas in the car?
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 February 2023 18:32 (one year ago) link
lol
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 18:41 (one year ago) link
I dare you guys to reply to that tweet jaymc posted to ask what the statement being made is. I did that the last time someone was saying silly things about music on twitter and it was a lot of fun
Silver spoon in daddy's jeans
did they mean genes or
― mh, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 19:40 (one year ago) link