https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/02/arts/music/grammy-awards-beyonce.html
― Indexed, Friday, 3 February 2023 18:34 (one year ago) link
Setup:
NEW SHOWS ADDED: The tour has announced its first extension, adding second shows in 7 cities: Toronto, Chicago, Washington D.C., Atlanta, Houston, Los Angeles and East Rutherford.
Punchline:
DEMAND UPDATE: These seven shows have been added to help as many concertgoers get tickets as possible, and are based on venue availabilities and scheduling for the tour. Fan demand already exceeds the number of tickets available by more than 800% based on the registration numbers in the Group A cities. It is expected that many interested fans may not be able to get tickets because demand drastically exceeds supply.
I feel pretty bad for fans of all these acts right now. It's as if every tour was the Victory tour and a farewell tour, all wrapped up.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 3 February 2023 19:57 (one year ago) link
I signed up for the Verified Fan presale for one of the two shows here and the "Beyhive" presale for the other date, I'll consider myself lucky if I even get into one of the two presales
― Murgatroid, Friday, 3 February 2023 20:06 (one year ago) link
xp How did things work before this, I can’t even remember… tickets just went on sale, and if you missed out, that was it? Like what is different now for this top tier of artists when they tour?
― listened to "Mississippi" one take too long (morrisp), Friday, 3 February 2023 20:14 (one year ago) link
They are demanding a lot more money, and the promoters et al. are also demanding a lot more money.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 3 February 2023 20:34 (one year ago) link
But the scramble is to get tickets(?) Folks seem willing to pay… is demand just higher than ever?
― listened to "Mississippi" one take too long (morrisp), Friday, 3 February 2023 20:47 (one year ago) link
Yeah, I dunno how that works. Wasn't demand huge for, say, Fleetwood Mac or the Eagles in the '70s? Madonna or Springsteen in the '80s? Were people getting shut out left and right due to demand and scalpers? I don't remember it that way, or at least, I don't remember any show I wanted to see that I did not get to see. But I suppose I didn't go to that many arena (let alone stadium) shows.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 3 February 2023 20:59 (one year ago) link
I guess the preregistration / “fan verification”thing just adds a new level of complexity?If Ariana Grande ever tours again, it’s gonna be bananas… glad I spent what I spent for the seat I had at the final show of her last tour.
― listened to "Mississippi" one take too long (morrisp), Friday, 3 February 2023 21:02 (one year ago) link
i preregistered and would honestly be willing to pay an unreasonable amount of money but that won't matter!
― POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Friday, 3 February 2023 22:06 (one year ago) link
I'm split between paying an unreasonable amount of money and not paying for "dynamic pricing"/resale tix out of principle, fuck Ticketmaster and scalpers
― Murgatroid, Friday, 3 February 2023 22:08 (one year ago) link
i am kinda hoping this is the worst possible shit show and she plays to half empty houses and the pitchforks come out
― POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Friday, 3 February 2023 22:11 (one year ago) link
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, February 3, 2023 12:34 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
I was amazed to see she got $24 million for a single one hour show to open a new hotel in Dubai recently. Not directly related obv.
― omar little, Friday, 3 February 2023 22:15 (one year ago) link
OK, so my wife, as always, is a voice of reason, theorizing pretty well exactly What Has Changed.
The first thing she noted is the presence of bots. We're a long way past scalpers hiring homeless people to line up for tickets, and what's more, Ticketmaster has no incentive to curb the bots at all, since driving up the secondary market only benefits them.
Second, she noted that before boomers, going to concerts to see big touring acts was not really a mass thing that people did, but it has been since the '60s. Another major factor is that the same acts the boomers saw in the '60s are *still touring*, and, importantly, the boomers are *still going to shows*. Live music, rock and pop and whatnot, used to be just for young people, but now, especially for a major legacy act, you're going to find an audience that ranges from teens to people in their '70s, depending on the act. The fan base of someone like Beyonce or Springsteen or Swift or whomever is just vast, spanning several generations at this point. Back in the '80s, say, Madonna fans were probably somewhere between 15 and 35, say. Now they're between 15 and 65, and the same goes for someone like Beyonce. That's a lot more people for the same number of tickets. Demand is up because the audience has never stopped growing.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 4 February 2023 00:22 (one year ago) link
That sounds right, although (without wanting to give Ticketmaster the benefit of the doubt for much), it seems like a lot of this rigamarole is meant to curb the bots, even if it's not foolproof(?)
― listened to "Mississippi" one take too long (morrisp), Saturday, 4 February 2023 00:53 (one year ago) link
I've gone pretty much from arena and stadium shows to all small venue shows overnight due to the ease/difficulty and expense of getting tickets, but it feels weird how I can get tickets at the door for an established great in a venue seating 150 while I have seconds to grab a ticket for a band in an arena seating 20,000. (Yes, jazz is far less popular than rock, pop and R&B but still...)
― birdistheword, Saturday, 4 February 2023 20:53 (one year ago) link
waitlisted for both presales/shows
sigh
― Murgatroid, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 17:06 (one year ago) link
i'm liking seeing red carpet photos of luke solomon and honey dijon at the grammys for their contributions to renaissance. amy douglas, the singer, was going off on ig about some kind of backlash related to beyonce coming from dj / dance music peeps. glad i never see that kind of hater energy lol. starting to really believe that the best dance music has always been pop music.
― ꙮ (map), Tuesday, 7 February 2023 21:54 (one year ago) link
anytime RA posts a Beyoncé story you get a lot of purists going off, nary a pro-Beyoncé sentiment to be found.
― omar little, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 22:16 (one year ago) link
oh noes
― castanuts (DJP), Tuesday, 7 February 2023 22:56 (one year ago) link
Much more retrograde user base than one would expect, not that I should be totally surprised by anything online involving comments and laugh emojis tbh
― omar little, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 23:22 (one year ago) link
crying-behind-happy-mask.jpgtfw most people think your no vocal 145 bpm bleep bloop fav that draws tastefully from rave culture or whatever is kinda boring
― ꙮ (map), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 00:46 (one year ago) link
My experience with RA devotees is basically “what if the absolute worst people from Brainwashed.com had enough money for bottle service”
― castanuts (DJP), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 02:05 (one year ago) link
ahahaa
― ꙮ (map), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 02:07 (one year ago) link
loooool
― not too strange just bad audio (brimstead), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 02:21 (one year ago) link
you really have to be a numbskull to not be down with Beyoncé doing house, it just seems like obviously a great thing?funny how certain rave signifiers sound “tasteful” now when it was all so crass sounding
― not too strange just bad audio (brimstead), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 02:24 (one year ago) link
Curious.. now that Renaissance has had time to sit with people, how would you all would rank Beyonce's solo albums?
― Indexed, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 14:48 (one year ago) link
S/T > B'Day = 4 > Renaissance > Lemonade > the rest
― Murgatroid, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 15:43 (one year ago) link
LemonadeRenaissance4s/tB'Daythe rest
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 15:44 (one year ago) link
LemonadeSelf titledB’DayDangerously in Love4= Renaissance= Sasha Fierce
― here you go, muttonchops Yaz (gyac), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 15:48 (one year ago) link
― omar little, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 22:16 (yesterday)
tut tut tut why wont people give this billionaire pop star the reverence she so clearly deserves
― Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 15:57 (one year ago) link
4LemonadeRenaissanceDangerously in LoveBeyonceB’DaySasha Fierce
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 15:58 (one year ago) link
Beyoncé B’Day4Dangerously In LoveSasha FierceRenaissanceLemonade
But I’m a weirdo on this board
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 16:06 (one year ago) link
I admit that I don't really cue up Lemonade almost ever, compared to the few I ranked directly below it. But it's obv great, et al
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 16:09 (one year ago) link
Ooh! Why the last two so low? xpost
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 16:09 (one year ago) link
I think it’s just a “I like the OLD Kanye” scenario.
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 16:12 (one year ago) link
Not sure about which of the top 2 to rank first. 4 is my favorite to listen to but I think Lemonade is the more significant, fully realized artistic statement.
Lemonade4RenaissanceSTB'Day
― Indexed, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 16:21 (one year ago) link
Lemonade = Renaissance = Beyoncé4everything else
― castanuts (DJP), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 17:49 (one year ago) link
I think that’s probably right but i have to check my notes
― POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 18:03 (one year ago) link
RenaissanceBeyonceLemonade4 (i'm one of a dozen or so people on the planet who thinks "Party" owns iirc)
― omar little, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 18:07 (one year ago) link
nah, "Party" is great, if it's derided, that's news to me
― Murgatroid, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 18:26 (one year ago) link
Just about the only 4 track I don't rate is the one that makes me, by ILX definition, clinically insane
― عباس کیارستمی (Eric H.), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 18:28 (one year ago) link
I heard "Party" on the local R&B station and it felt less obnoxious finally.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 19:44 (one year ago) link
you lemonade people live in a different world than me
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 8 February 2023 19:49 (one year ago) link
To revisit the “what has changed about touring” convo momentarily, I think another factor is that at a very general level “we” privilege ephemeral experiences - in the sense of being prepared to invest in them more heavily including financially - than we used to. Seeing an artist perform live has a different social value in a context where you can share (a snapshot of) that experience on social media such that it becomes, however unconsciously, a marker of social status and part of one’s personal brand.
One upshot of that is that a greater proportion of the population is prepared to spend a greater proportion of their disposable income on what is by definition a fleeting (and often a partly inconvenient or even frustrating) experience, because it has a longer term asset value beyond just their memory of it.
(The above is less true of boomers and so on, but I think a key factor here is how prepared even young people are to spend what is an obscene amount of money, in particular compared to their income levels)
See also: the way that social media has transformed the social function of art galleries.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 21:36 (one year ago) link
― J0rdan S
a sourer one
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 21:39 (one year ago) link
Ranking Sasha Fierce above Renaissance and Lemonade...I've truly seen it all
― monotony, Thursday, 9 February 2023 00:31 (one year ago) link
In the order of composition, except Renaissance between 4 and the self titled.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Thursday, 9 February 2023 08:28 (one year ago) link
I’m gonna pretend that means you like the debut most and lemonade least
― Tim F, Thursday, 9 February 2023 11:36 (one year ago) link
Correct.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Thursday, 9 February 2023 12:57 (one year ago) link
I would modify my list to replace Beyoncé with Beyoncé (Deluxe Edition).
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 9 February 2023 13:43 (one year ago) link