Bring On the POLL - ILM Artist Poll #116 - THE POLICE - (Results Thread)

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Bee OK, Tuesday, 6 December 2022 22:48 (three years ago)

I thought "Fragile" was too slick to do anything for me, but I gave it another shot just now...if you mentally isolate the vocal, I can see the appeal. Like that melody is actually beautiful and can be moving (and do justice to the song's inspiration - an American civil engineer who was killed by the Reagan-backed Contras while working on a hydroelectric project in Nicaragua).

I just think the way they recorded it is too glossy. The delicate backing is devoid of emotion - it's an overly tasteful backdrop that feels like a poor match to what the song's supposed to do. And the little prettifying touches like the chimes at the end feel like a lapse in judgment.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 6 December 2022 22:53 (three years ago)

"Fortress Around Your Heart" is a catchy motherfucker. What a chorus!

Yeah, this is another keeper for me. My three favorite tracks on Turtles and "All This Time" are pretty much all I need anymore from solo Sting.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 6 December 2022 22:55 (three years ago)

I think it was sort of foolish of me to think that an album outside of the band would crack the Top 5.

Bee OK, Tuesday, 6 December 2022 23:03 (three years ago)

22 Album Ballots Received

Bee OK, Tuesday, 6 December 2022 23:03 (three years ago)

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5. Outlandos d'Amour
126 Points, 18 Votes, 1 Number One

Bee OK, Tuesday, 6 December 2022 23:03 (three years ago)

I didn't vote in the solo poll due to my lack of knowledge about Stuart and Andy's extra-curricular stuff, but a little gutted that my favourite Sting solo track, 'They Dance Alone', missed the cut.

aphoristical, Tuesday, 6 December 2022 23:25 (three years ago)

I don’t get the love for “All This Time” at all. It’s fine enough for early 90s VH-1 fare but the creaky river metaphor and Paul Simon-isms of the verse (who himself loved a river metaphor) feel, well, secondhand. The arrangement is pedestrian and snare drum irritatingly insistent. And while the chorus is memorable I don’t find it particularly catchy.

“Fragile” OTOH …

might be the closest Stinghas ever come to writing a song that sounds like a standard he is covering.

Possibly my favorite of all his songs … but I also forgot it!

I thought "Fragile" was too slick to do anything for me, but I gave it another shot just now...if you mentally isolate the vocal, I can see the appeal. Like that melody is actually beautiful and can be moving (and do justice to the song's inspiration - an American civil engineer who was killed by the Reagan-backed Contras while working on a hydroelectric project in Nicaragua).

I just think the way they recorded it is too glossy. The delicate backing is devoid of emotion - it's an overly tasteful backdrop that feels like a poor match to what the song's supposed to do. And the little prettifying touches like the chimes at the end feel like a lapse in judgment.


This is a great post. In general, the melodies on …Nothing Like the Sun are strong but the production is way too smooth. When it works—like on “Be Still My Beating Heart”—it’s super sultry and throbbing. But when it doesn’t the whole thing really betrays a self-seriousness that the cover portrait kind of gives away.

The Soul Cages production is weirdly out of whack too. The Northumbrian pipes meant to evoke the shipyards of his childhood are a nice touch but the record still sounds like he tried to make a record of tone poems about his youth and mortality but mostly just ended up writing a bunch of gloomy midlife crisis ballads.

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 6 December 2022 23:26 (three years ago)

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4. Synchronicity
147 Points, 19 Votes, 2 Number Ones

Bee OK, Tuesday, 6 December 2022 23:33 (three years ago)

I remember decoding the imagery on the sleeve as a teen - different for LP/CD/CS if I recall correctly

assert (matttkkkk), Tuesday, 6 December 2022 23:38 (three years ago)

different cover variations on the LPs as well

sleeve, Tuesday, 6 December 2022 23:45 (three years ago)

Feels about right - Outlandos and Synchronicity both have some amazing songs but I feel like those two also have some of the worst things they ever did? I mean I remember wincing at 'Sally' when I was 10, and it's only got more cringe with age

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Tuesday, 6 December 2022 23:46 (three years ago)

I had this on cassette and thinking the same thing. So much filler was on this album.

Bee OK, Tuesday, 6 December 2022 23:54 (three years ago)

But the good songs are great and the bonus was awesome too.

Bee OK, Tuesday, 6 December 2022 23:55 (three years ago)

one confession, I can't sing 'walking In Your Footsteps' in my head anymore without it turning into 'hakuna matata' halfway through

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Tuesday, 6 December 2022 23:57 (three years ago)

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3. Zenyattà Mondatta
164 Points, 20 Votes, 4 Number Ones

Bee OK, Wednesday, 7 December 2022 00:06 (three years ago)

Where I had it but surprising nonetheless. You could argue Zenyatta is their best.

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 7 December 2022 00:20 (three years ago)

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2. Ghost in the Machine
174 Points, 20 Votes, 7 Number Ones

Bee OK, Wednesday, 7 December 2022 00:37 (three years ago)

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1. Reggatta de Blanc
190 Points, 22 Votes, 7 Number Ones

Bee OK, Wednesday, 7 December 2022 00:37 (three years ago)

Place, Points, Votes, Number Ones, Album

1	190	22	7	Reggatta de Blanc
2 174 20 7 Ghost in the Machine
3 164 20 4 Zenyattà Mondatta
4 147 19 2 Synchronicity
5 126 18 1 Outlandos d'Amour
6 10 1 1 The Soul Cages - Sting
7 8 1 ...Nothing Like The Sun - Sting
8 8 1 Klark Kent
9 7 1 Dream of the Blue Turtles - Sting
10 6 1 Message in a Box: The Complete Recordings

Bee OK, Wednesday, 7 December 2022 00:39 (three years ago)

Zero votes for "Russians" lol

billstevejim, Wednesday, 7 December 2022 01:01 (three years ago)

Fascinating that so many love Zenyatta when they always used to talk about it as a rush job and slapped together between tours. There are a fair few “feel pieces” but they seem to have aged better than a lot of the lesser “proper songs”.

assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 7 December 2022 02:15 (three years ago)

Yeah it’s a cool record if you just wanna hear them play.

frogbs, Wednesday, 7 December 2022 02:20 (three years ago)

The order of the albums almost matched my ballot, but I had #s 4 and 5 flipped.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 7 December 2022 02:40 (three years ago)

I think that was exactly mine. Outlandos definitely my #5 but that's a pretty good worst album to have.

frogbs, Wednesday, 7 December 2022 02:42 (three years ago)

I didn't include albums on my ballot, but Outlandos would've been my #1. It the least fussy of all their albums and I admire that (which means I'm probably seeking out the wrong qualities in The Police). It's the only one I ever play with no skips.

ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 7 December 2022 04:42 (three years ago)

I do dig the early-installment weirdness on it. there are several directions on that album they'd never go in again.

frogbs, Wednesday, 7 December 2022 04:48 (three years ago)

yeah i’d swap outlandos with zenyatta, zenyatta kinda gives up after the first 4 tracks

scanner darkly, Wednesday, 7 December 2022 04:52 (three years ago)

Zenyatta was my pick. That scrappy, raggedy sound on "When The world is Running Down..." is heaven to my ears.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 7 December 2022 10:25 (three years ago)

Albums results are about right imo

By the way, the Eva Cassidy cover of "Fields of Gold" seems to have had a longer shelf life (in terms of TV / movie use and general lovability) than the Stingster's.

Cirque de Soleil Moon Frye (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 7 December 2022 11:06 (three years ago)

Was surprised to find Outlandos ranked so low. But it was my gateway into the band, so maybe I have an outsized sense of its rep generally. The highs are really high! I admit that Born in the 50s, and the spoken-word part of Be My Girl, are kind of unbearable.

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 7 December 2022 13:10 (three years ago)

The BBC often used to have humorous poets with regional accents on early evening light entertainment shows - I'm thinking of Pam Ayers etc - and 'Sally' always make me think I've just accidentally caught the tail-end of That's Life and some joker's doing a bad knock-off of 'In Every Dream Home A Heartache'. It is quite impressive how much of the shittest bits of Britain in the late 70s are encapsulated in that piece

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Wednesday, 7 December 2022 13:50 (three years ago)

That scrappy, raggedy sound on "When The world is Running Down..." is heaven to my ears.

Mine too — I ranked that song VERY high on the tracks ballot. And I like the album, but it is a bit of a hodgepodge and I don't love its big singles.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 7 December 2022 16:24 (three years ago)

Thirded, voted for that track but also had the album as my #1. I thought it was uneven when I first heard it, but it's all grown on me and wouldn't change a thing. I know the Police don't think highly of it because of the deadline pressure but in retrospect I wonder if that helped. They didn't labor too much over anything, and they had to fall back on what they did easiest/best. Great rhythms, great hooks, for the most part nothing they messed with too much, much to the album's benefit.

birdistheword, Wednesday, 7 December 2022 16:43 (three years ago)

Doing a Top 40, which is really too many. I did a Top 60 when I ran Daft Punk earlier this year and the 60th placement only had three votes. But that is a different animal and that was the right length, good collaborations in the bottom half of that poll but I digress. The Police poll has a floor of four votes, which works. This way we get all number ones in the main rollout, where if I went for only 30 then some would have missed the rollout.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 7 December 2022 17:05 (three years ago)

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40. Mother
From: Synchronicity
Released: June 17, 1983
110 Points, 4 Votes

Bee OK, Wednesday, 7 December 2022 17:10 (three years ago)

I didn’t know how I wanted this poll to look. There aren’t a lot of different band shots and video shots did intrigue me. I finally decided to go with movie posters from the year the song came out. I would not say 1978- 1983 is a golden age for Hollywood but there are some pretty good posters. I did mess up a bit as these are gross US numbers so some films do bleed into to more then one year. I don’t think I will repeat a poster however.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 7 December 2022 17:10 (three years ago)

too high

comedy khadafi (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 December 2022 17:12 (three years ago)

solo is awesome tho

assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 7 December 2022 17:17 (three years ago)

Ha, this being the start to the rollout is perfect - I didn't vote for it and don't even like it but I love that it's right there, forever, on side 1 of the platinum-selling album Synchronicity.

Gavin, Leeds, Wednesday, 7 December 2022 17:24 (three years ago)

This song used to piss my dad off so much when it came on, maybe this was the most punk thing they ever did? Also funny that Andy goes full-freudian on sting's jung-themed album

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Wednesday, 7 December 2022 17:31 (three years ago)

Didn't vote for it though - as much as I admire it, it really is terrible

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Wednesday, 7 December 2022 17:32 (three years ago)

"You think you can misread Freud, boy-o? Watch MEEEEEE!"

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 7 December 2022 17:33 (three years ago)

xps 1978-1983 is a kind of a transitional time. The last gasps of the New Hollywood ("Days of Heaven," "Apocalypse Now," "Raging Bull," "King of Comedy," "Heaven's Gate," etc.) The "creative executives" were taking over and you can see more studio meddling with the mutilation of films like "Blade Runner."

But a lot of great stuff happening in the margins. Great burgeoning talent (Albert Brooks with "Real Life" and "Modern Romance," David Lynch with "The Elephant Man," Jonathan Demme with "Melvin and Howard," David Cronenberg with "Videodrome," Sara Driver with "You Are Not I," George Miller and Joe Dante getting established in Hollywood with their "Twilight Zone" segments), long-time mavericks making a comeback or still plugging away (John Cassavetes with "Gloria," Sam Fuller with "The Big Red One" and "White Dog," Ivan Passer with "Cutter's Way," Dennis Hopper with "Out of the Blue," John Huston with "Wise Blood") and the underground scene was just starting to flourish (Charles Burnett's "My Brother's Wedding" among many others).

birdistheword, Wednesday, 7 December 2022 17:37 (three years ago)

This song is amazing and hilarious. And it's in 7/4.

billstevejim, Wednesday, 7 December 2022 17:39 (three years ago)

solo is awesome tho

And lifted from Fripp’s solo on Eno’s “Golden Hours”!

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 7 December 2022 17:43 (three years ago)

Great post birdistheword and I agree that there are some great movies during this era. Looking at a list of movies tho, there was a lot of crap too. I hope I got some good posters out of this exercise.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 7 December 2022 17:50 (three years ago)

https://i.imgur.com/gQ7QXsZ.jpg

39. Rehumanize Yourself
From: Ghost in the Machine
Released: October 2, 1981
119 Points, 4 Votes

Bee OK, Wednesday, 7 December 2022 17:51 (three years ago)

I mean:

https://i.imgur.com/EEAgjra.jpg

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 7 December 2022 17:52 (three years ago)

I'm very busy at work today and won't be able to do 20 like I had originally planned. This will be a slow reveal today but maybe that's OK?

Bee OK, Wednesday, 7 December 2022 17:52 (three years ago)


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