i think in general with rock music at the scale of crowds of hundreds of thousands, the nostalgia of it all is endemic to the experience. i think there’s still plenty of kids who seek a certain authenticity in rock music of the past except the rock music that is two decades old now is the strokes, the foo fighters, RHCP (who the strokes just toured with) etc and not led zeppelin or metallica or whatever. i mean when the strokes are headlining lollapalooza brazil or primavera, it definitely is not 30 and 40 year olds buying the majority of those tickets
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 November 2022 16:08 (one year ago) link
Festivals outside the US are sort of a different thing, aren't they? Bigger, just kind of a broader experience, right? With Brazil being a particularly huge deal. Like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBCVsVKU4O4
You don't ever see crowds or enthusiasm like this in the US, imo.
I don't know anyone that saw the RHCP this past summer, but I guess they played stadiums? I assume anything that big draws a whole cross section of generations.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 14 November 2022 16:45 (one year ago) link
They played Stadium Arcadiums
― Reese's Pisces Iscariot (morrisp), Monday, 14 November 2022 17:01 (one year ago) link
Stadia Arcadia
― peace, man, Monday, 14 November 2022 17:17 (one year ago) link
Arcadia Ignea
― Me and the Major on the Moon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 14 November 2022 17:49 (one year ago) link
Did any of these bands inspire people to form their own bands?
A fair number of bands I speak to cite the Strokes as a big influence, whether musically or just being their intro into this music.
I remember being backstage at a YYYs gig in Glasgow on one of their early tours, and some NYC disco-punk band that was being touted as the Next Big Thing by the NME coming in to say hi and being all deferential, and when they left Karen was like, "We've never heard of these guys before, they were not on the Brooklyn scene that we were on." But I'm guessing these things can be very hermetic and time-sensitive and based on who your friendship groups. Certainly, the "grunge" explosion pulled together a lot of groups who actually felt they didn't share a lot in common.
I remember interviewing the Blues Explosion around this time, and having to ask them what they thought about the Strokes et al, and Jon said something about thinking they didn't share much in common with the Strokes beyond the same dry cleaner.
― bible fumes (stevie), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 09:24 (one year ago) link
There's an Arctic Monkeys song that literally starts with the line "I just wanted to be one of The Strokes".
― triggercut, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 12:30 (one year ago) link
do u think they meant it
― mark s, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 12:33 (one year ago) link
When I interviewed Gilla Band recently, their guitarist Al said their earlier incarnation was indebted to Strokes, and that Arctic Monkeys had "a real fucking chokehold on our generation". Obvs they sound nothing like the Strokes or the Arctic Monkeys.
― bible fumes (stevie), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 12:39 (one year ago) link
i have opinions abt the word influence btw
― mark s, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 12:54 (one year ago) link
It's definitely debatable
― bible fumes (stevie), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 12:56 (one year ago) link
I prefer the word exfluence.
― Me and the Major on the Moon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 13:02 (one year ago) link
Or effluence even.
― Me and the Major on the Moon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 13:04 (one year ago) link
Meet me in the bathroom indeed.
LCD soundsystem got a bunch of headlining gigs at festivals around the world too but i don't think ppl really care about them like that.
Strictly anecdotal, but LCD is the only band out of this scene with any currency at all among my son and his friends. Not sure they’ve even heard of, like, Interpol, and if they know the Strokes it’s only as a vague bit of history.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 13:22 (one year ago) link
And coincidence or not, LCD *did* kind of anchor a scene, or sub-scene. At least that what DFA felt like to me. You could have "DFA night" (or whatever) at a club, or do a DFA tour. Most of the other acts around there then were just typical major label beneficiaries. We know about them and they got successful because they were highly, highly promoted and publicized, something that for obvious reasons just doesn't happen as much anymore.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 13:32 (one year ago) link
Am I the only one who even hates the title of this?
― Me and the Major on the Moon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 13:45 (one year ago) link
In a way I think the title is apt, because it suggests the superficiality and self-conscious scenesterism of people very impressed with themselves for doing cocaine, the dumbest drug.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 14:13 (one year ago) link
and Cheap Sex.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 14:13 (one year ago) link
Yeah. Like, in Please Kill Me, the sex and the drugs feel actually wild and apocalyptic. Not so much here.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 14:15 (one year ago) link
Plus, the music was more innovative.
― Chris L, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 14:45 (one year ago) link
xxxp I thought that line referred to meeting to hook up. It’s kind of a love song, yeah?
― Reese's Pisces Iscariot (morrisp), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 15:06 (one year ago) link
Even as a song lyric I hear it as both, but as a scene-encompassing summary I feel like drugs are very much implied.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 15:13 (one year ago) link
I never actually listened to that song until just now. Made me want to put on "Sequestered in Memphis" instead for some reason.
― Me and the Major on the Moon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 15:33 (one year ago) link
I didn't even know there was a song with that title, or those lyrics (never got into the Strokes). I always assumed it was a drug reference.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 16:23 (one year ago) link
I heard there was some artist interference in the edit of the movie, which is kind of hilarious when you think about how low stakes it all is really. Like if an already wafer-thin scene gets sanitized even more in the re-telling of it, you're not going to end up with much there.
― Position Position, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 18:11 (one year ago) link
Button-cuteRapier-keenWafer-thinAnd pauper-poor
― Me and the Major on the Moon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 18:45 (one year ago) link
most indie rock bands have horrible, thin, clicky hyper compressed drum sounds now, the lasting influence of the strokes
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 22:00 (one year ago) link
Meet me in the control booth.
― Me and the Major on the Moon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 22:09 (one year ago) link
some nerd shit about how they got their sound
https://www.soundonsound.com/people/gordon-raphael-producing-strokes
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 22:13 (one year ago) link
Does anyone remember a recent novel about a WASP family and a babysitter and someone who used to hang out in Grand Central and Tompkins Square Park and had a loft apartment and there was some kind of heist involving a van?
― youn, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 22:15 (one year ago) link
Is that for this thread? Lol in any case.
― Me and the Major on the Moon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 22:19 (one year ago) link
Was it written by an ILX0r?
― Me and the Major on the Moon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 22:21 (one year ago) link
Anyway, I’m starting to feel a bit like Johnny Mercer hating on The Beatles or something so maybe I should should just unbookmark this thread.
― Me and the Major on the Moon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 22:23 (one year ago) link
I know it sounds like a horrible premise for meeting in the bathroom, but it is killing me that I can't remember the title (the cost of age or reading carelessly) especially because I think you might consider it worthy of passing interest.
― youn, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 22:36 (one year ago) link
xps i think the moldy peaches were really more of the "anti-folk" thing which was basically the artists who hung around the sidewalk cafe all day and watched each others' sets. they may have had a social connection to the strokes but they didn't play the same kinds of gigs afaik.
i think the influence of this stuff on local nyc artists was immediate and centralizing, i mean there were certain enclaves like the sidewalk and the tonic in the late 90's but mainly it was disparate, lots of individual artists pursuing their own thing. and then after the strokes in particular became huge, all these people started playing shows on ludlow street and many of them oriented their sound more in that direction. i remember several bands and artists who were unsigned/unrecorded and doing really exciting stuff turning more revisionist and eventually putting out kinda boring, disappointing records.
― "H to the Izzo" means "I love you" (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 22:44 (one year ago) link
I always thought of Tonic as much more avant and experimental.
― Me and the Major on the Moon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 22:54 (one year ago) link
yeah it was the enclave for that "scene" iow.
― "H to the Izzo" means "I love you" (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 22:56 (one year ago) link
they may have had a social connection to the strokes but they didn't play the same kinds of gigs afaik.
Notwithstanding that the Moldy Peaches later opened for them on tour, right? (i.e., I assume you're talking about the early daze)
― Reese's Pisces Iscariot (morrisp), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 23:05 (one year ago) link
The only notable thing about the strokes imo is that they named an album after the best Stevie nicks song
― calstars, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 23:27 (one year ago) link
Adam Green opened for the Strokes at the Mercury Lounge in 2000. I WAS THERE
― Josefa, Tuesday, 15 November 2022 23:36 (one year ago) link
^You rock!
― Me and the Major on the Moon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 23:43 (one year ago) link
xp i know they opened for the strokes, but i mean, i think they were still hanging out at the sidewalk cafe a good amount post-fame. that was almost like a songwriters' workshop feel, mostly solo acoustic artists who knew each others' material really well testing new songs in varying stages of completion and sticking around for hours afterward.
there was this one folk singer from the sidewalk cafe whose email list i was on, i think he played with adam green a lot- and around this time he formed a full band and sent out a joke email blast saying they were opening for the strokes at madison square garden.
― "H to the Izzo" means "I love you" (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 15 November 2022 23:54 (one year ago) link
The groups I enjoyed most from that time aren’t covered in the book. Such acts as Moisturizer; Electro Putas; Crème Blush. Perhaps these groups were oriented more toward the Tonic scene, but they played various places.
― Josefa, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 00:07 (one year ago) link
Isn't that almost always the way with scenes?
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 16 November 2022 00:21 (one year ago) link
Yeah. But it also points out the kaleidoscopic nature of scenes. Scenes are defined a certain way based on the perspective you’re coming to them from. My scene was much different from Lizzie Goodman’s scene.
― Josefa, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 00:28 (one year ago) link
Feel like I myself was already scened out, already scene-burned by this time. But à chacun son goût, I guess. Think maybe there’s a way to say it in English, can’t recall.
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 16 November 2022 00:29 (one year ago) link
Though there was definitely overlap
― Josefa, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 00:30 (one year ago) link
Morbs and I were pretty much the same age. I appreciated his take at the beginning of the thread.
― Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 16 November 2022 00:31 (one year ago) link
Also you don’t necessarily feel like you’re in a scene when it’s happening. It’s a pretty abstract concept. The passage of time makes people feel more wistful and that’s when they try to make sense of their own past, categorizing it or whatever.
― Josefa, Wednesday, 16 November 2022 00:37 (one year ago) link