pitchfork is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3brYxY5Gdps

loveless is officially nonbinary canon

Cocteau Twins as well.

sure i'll take it

Did not expect readers of over the age of 65 to be really into Trip Hop.

They would have been 34+ in 1991... I wouldn't expect it off the top of my head but given that context I get it. Going to a 10-years out of date fern bar and trying to pick up a fellow divorced person while the stereo plays Massive Attack... that's just nature taking its course.

Sour Times, indeed

I used to know an old bloke who was hugely into massive attack. he turned out to be a creep around women 1/3 his age so hopefully not representative

pitchfork should should do a focus group where they ask their readers to rate their ratings.

how does a 6.5 rating make you feel?
...about a...seven. a 7.2
ok, how about a 7.4 rating
5 point.....five.
8.2?
8.4.
8.4?
8.2.
how about a 10?
9.2.

did cosmic baby make the list?

table i was here! i was probably saying really dumb things though, so please don't look them up. i would have been z s during those classic pitchfork days

the readers' list is a bit more varied than i would have expected so congratulations to pitchfork in successfully improving the taste of its readers?

in general the readers' lists are pretty good

It’s November 2… I think I complain about this every year, but feels like this must be earlier than ever(?)

https://pitchfork.com/news/vote-now-for-your-favorite-albums-and-songs-of-2022/

Vote closes November 15? Gonna vote Weyes Blood and Richard Dawson 1 and 2 and leave the rest blank obv

To say nothing of anyone releasing in December

dum. There's a * after 2022 that doesn't seem to be defined. It oughta be "or November-December 2021."

oh it just means required field. It's the only field. And you have to pick stuff they reviewed. you can type a space and see all the options.. lol. They gave Arca's Dec 2021 albums BNM and they're not eligible for what that's worth.

you are not allowed to have read Pitchfork for more than 25 years. wuh oh

cake was not a good band

did they Sunday Review Cake?

i fuckin' hate Cake

Wasn't going to mention it before but

Fashion Nugget is like an oversized diner menu. There is something for most people: mariachi, jazz, tango, funk, country—none of which were cool at the time. Nor was stewing disparate genres in the same pot.

I'd say alt-rock acts making a point of "stewing disparate genres in the same pot" is very mid-90s

it's the same year Odelay came out

My thoughts exactly

Cake the absolute worst band, could understand wanting to reassess but there’s not much there except whitened dog turd

Ween stewed genres better.

Cake were a very good band. Ween are one of the worst things to ever happen to music.

Motorcade of Generosity >>> Fashion Nugget, but Cake are underrated in either case.

Okay, I'll take it back— Cake were great musically. The vocals and lyrics were and remain cringe.

Black artists—like dubwise hardcore pioneers Bad Brains or ska-punk eccentrics Fishbone—the walls were closing in from both sides, as they were shut out from both the white world of rock radio and the Black mainstream star-making apparatus that favored slick R&B balladeers, synth-funk loverboys, and fashionable rappers.

https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/living-colour-vivid

This para seems… off to me

Specifically the snide part from “slick” onwards

shades of "black pop conspiracy"

I haven't heard the adam sandler album but surely it's not actually good is it? they just wanted to do that score?

Adam Sandler album is incredible and a classic

I don't get comedy so I'll take your word for it - as long as it's better than that bill hicks bullshit that used to top every "best comedy albums" list

didn't read the review; can only remember that bit from the sandler album where he puts on his worst "MEXICAN GUY" accent and talks about how he looks at his own asshole in the mirror.

Topping a "best comedy albums" list with Bill Hicks was a way for journalists to claim superiority over all the Dennis Leary fans they knew in High School.

I was curious what would actually end up on top of a list like that, since in 2022 Hicks would be an incredibly unlikely pick, and the only legit-ish list I found was SPIN in 2011 with uhhh Bill Cosby at #1. I'm starting to come around to the hivemind consensus that comedy should be put to an end

adam sandler and the death of comedy coming soon to netflix

I’ve never heard the Sandler album (or even seen those early movie, both of which I know are cult favorites for a crowd a little younger than me), but I thought the review was interesting and well written.

(One of those Lowbrow Reader issues has a long appraisal of Billy Madison… I don’t think I’ll ever “get” Sandler, but it’s interesting to read these appreciative takes by guys who were in high school when he came around)

For years, 2011’s Jack and Jill was shorthand for “the worst film ever made,” and yet it has acquired an admiring cult following for scenes like this [the Dunkaccino scene], which contains the best and most dialed-in line readings I’ve seen from Al Pacino in decades.

This is slightly baffling to me. People actually like that scene?

You guys are absolutely offTM here.

Cosby albums were insanely good, though obviously he is a monster off stage. Maybe the best storyteller in comedy history Bill Hicks albums are super tight and razor sharp even if the actual politics of his "angry libertarian" schtick hasn't aged well. Sandler first album is an absolute master-class in absurd-dumb-funny bullshit and the review nails why its great.

Cosby is the best storyteller, not Hicks (punctuation needed there)

I don’t know what reviewers thought of that sandler album at the time (if they thought it wasn’t funny they were wrong, it’s often pretty hysterical) but they were all off the mark on Billy Madison.

I got a snake, man

"obviously he is a monster off stage" was my only point, just the sick joke of idly wondering who would top such a list and it being basically the worst possible option biographically

obvs it wasn't clear from my post, but I am not actually remotely anti-comedy

rant in e minor had a profound effect on me before i had any sort of politics. the first bit being about how much pro-life people suck.. the total hostility toward advertising… idk the parts i remember fondly hold up lol

I was curious what would actually end up on top of a list like that

A Pryor album would be the safe pick.

Hicks had a really good stage presence. I remember one of his cable specials began with him coming through what looked like a secret door with a wall of flames behind him like he was sneaking out of hell.

Some Adam Sandler movies are funny but that album is fucking awful.

I loved Bill Cosby’s albums when I was a kid, like 6-10. The funniest shit in the world.

Now my favorite comedy album is Dice Clay’s The Day The Laughter Died, which deserves its own 33 1/3 book.

I think I still like bits of Bill Hicks but do not agree that his albums were tight, so much time spent making stupid noises into the microphone and every time he really gets going you cut to uninspired guitar noodling.

so much time spent making stupid noises into the microphone and every time he really gets going you cut to uninspired guitar noodling

Let's leave Zappa out of this