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on the other hand, everyone ripping off "steam machine" = a glorious future.

― :| (....), Thursday, 27 January 2005 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

("Feels Like Home" is outstanding, BTW)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 27 January 2005 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

think of the remixes people!

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 27 January 2005 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Have to say, a Cosmo Vitelli remix of anything of this would be a vast improvement for once.

― donut christ (donut), Thursday, 27 January 2005 17:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Human After All isn't very good, is it?

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 27 January 2005 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

i stand by my 7 out of 10

― Stevem On X (blueski), Thursday, 27 January 2005 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I would agree with that; the difference is that I would give Discovery 5 out of 10.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 27 January 2005 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I've only listened to it once so far, and there were parts of it that I thought were great and other parts that were very underwhelming. I'd have to listen to it a bit more before I pass any judgement, right now I prefer Discovery but I don't think this is the horrible disappointment some people are making it out to be either.

― Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:07 (twenty-one years ago)

It's not bad, I just can't imagine wanting to listen to it very much.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:08 (twenty-one years ago)

There is a lot of nonsense in this thread.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:15 (twenty-one years ago)

And much of it is from me, I'll wager. Only it isn't nonsense, it's honest opinion!

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I am not sure how anyone, except perhaps Dan, could hate Discovery and like this record.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:19 (twenty-one years ago)

"yeah!" to the last two posts

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:20 (twenty-one years ago)

It's not bad, I just can't imagine wanting to listen to it very much.

Right now I'm listening to it about once a day -- that may change and I always hate burning out on a record, but still. (The other one I should be playing more is the MIA, considering I'm seeing her in a week!)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Dan, you're not the only one, it's like an epidemic. I respect your opinion (and most of the other fine people here), but I'm baffled.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:29 (twenty-one years ago)

also i apologise for acting as if Daft Punk and Basement Jaxx are joined at the hip the whole time.

― Stevem On X (blueski), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Daft Jaxx.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:33 (twenty-one years ago)

i learned it by watching stevem

― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:34 (twenty-one years ago)

"Hate" is a very strong word to describe how I feel about Discovery; I don't particularly like it but I wouldn't say that I hate it. I mean, if it was playing on a jukebox or at a party I wouldn't try to change it to something else.

I like the concept of Daft Punk as religious music because people are reacting to them the same way that people reacted to the contemporary Christian pop songs the Praise Team sang at the early church service of one of the parishes my wife and I sang at a few years ago. (Obv I like everything that Daft Punk has done better than the Christian pop songs we had to sing but the analogy for the reaction is very apt, esp with that story Alba told about bursting into tears.)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, wouldn't that be any music anybody really liked?

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Or rather, isn't that a common description people use when they see people really enjoying something and they can't see why?

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Um, no? I've only burst into tears once due to a song ("Sometimes It Snows In April") and that was after playing it on repeat for 2 hours after finding out my oldest brother had died (_Parade_ was his favorite Prince album).

Then again, I'm a robot.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, does anyone remember the rather unkind words that Basement Jaxx had regarding Discovery's lack of dance focus? I was really disappointed by that.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't remember that, largely because I don't pay any attention to anything Basement Jazz says.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Discovery because it has love songs that remind me of how I've felt when I was deeply in love with someone. Is that religion, well sort of, but also not at all.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:42 (twenty-one years ago)

(tru-fans call them Basement Jazz, you know)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Discovery because it has love songs that remind me of how I've felt when I was deeply in love with someone. Is that religion, well sort of, but also not at all.

I'd say that's a good 80% of the spirit tied up in religion!

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

True, but still, I feel like you're sort of needlessly criticizing people here who really like Discovery for whatever reason with the negative connotations of "religion".

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't knock religion - it's sex with someone I love!

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait, so what did Basement Jaxx say again?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Can't find the interview.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 27 January 2005 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

But please, I beg of you, no more Dalek flatulence

Boo hiss, I love ‘Human After All’ and ‘Absence’ but have to agree there are parallels between them (ones I like) such as the use noise, the abrasiveness, and the rock dynamics (Dälek’s ‘Ever Somber’ sounds like a hip-hop MBV).

“Human After All” is just fantastic. Its been a long time since I’ve been this smitten with a new album.

― stevo (stevo), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:00 (twenty-one years ago)

It's very annoying when people read semantics into something you've written that you don't intend. Calling Daft Punk "religion music" is not meant to say it's bad as much as it is to say that it generates an ineffable profound connection for the listener who buys in that listeners who don't buy in can't even begin to fathom (see, for example, me with The Cure). Not every fucking mention of religion is a slam, particularly not when they come from someone who works part-time in a church and frequently calls out people on this forum for theological prejudice.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:11 (twenty-one years ago)

People? I'm here Dan.

Sorry to maybe read too much into what you were saying, but it's a pretty loaded term. It's also probably true.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

the rather unkind words that Basement Jaxx had regarding Discovery's lack of dance focus

Mmm, I remember hatboy saying in De:Bug that Discovery was "like intellectual music." "Well, yeah compared to Shitty," I thought. Never really trusted the Jaxx after that.

(glad to see that Stevo likes it, a reassuring sign.)

I really like Dan comments re. those Christian songs.

― Omar (Omar), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

well, since you bring the Cure up, Dan, just to get you to understand how I feel about all of this, imagine the Cure waiting five years to release a new album, and then when you finally hear it, you realize that the album is basically just 30 minutes of sampled instrumentals of Limp Bizkit and Korn with Robert Smith buried somewhere in there, with maybe a slight essence of Cure melody, sound, etc. seaping through.

(Not to denigrate Limp Bizkit or Korn. I'm just trying to come up with an example of what would sound like Robert Smith just deciding to toss off an album in the studio for three days.)

― donut christ (donut), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost:
Sorry again Dan. I guess I'm just predisposed to reading a description of someone's taste as "religious" to being a dismissal along the lines of, "you don't really like x, you just like it in a religous way" i.e. with a zeal or fervor based on nothing but faith or worse, based on nothing but the community or iconography around x. I'm also annoyed by theological prejudice, and maybe that's what I incorrectly thought was implicit in your use of the term.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

with Robert Smith buried somewhere in there, with maybe a slight essence of Cure melody, sound, etc. seaping through

to be fair, big stretches of this album sound like the soundtrack work bangalter's done recently and the ultra-repetetive tracks shouldn't be a surprise if you've been following bangalter's work with dj falcon or guy-manuel's work on the crydamoure label.

after being surprised at how much this album sounded like their solo work i've switched to being surprised at the break that "discovery" made with their solo work. the hardest loopy bangalter tracks on roule were before "discovery".

also thx for following me on ratatat.

― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

i realize that's not really a very stirring defense in favour of "human after all". more like: "well, they tossed off an album, who knows why, maybe they were bored, maybe they didn't want to hassle with the profundity of something like "discovery", and surprise surprise it ends up sounding like the obscure specialist shit they quietly churn out in the background that nobody cares about..."

i wonder if i am the only person who liked the two crydamoure compilations better than either "discovery" or "homework".

― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahaha DC, you remember that there are perhaps 6 songs out there with Robert Smith singing on them that I would rank lower than 8 out of 10, right? I don't think "imagine if Robert Smith put out a bad album" is a sentence that can possibly scan in my brain.

I read your reaction as the same reaction I had to Cranes going from _Beloved_ to _Population 4_.

xpost: I was just taken aback that someone would level that reading of the word "religious" at me! Sorry for getting kind of shrill. A stronger form of the concept came up on the eternal DMB thread in the form of "drink the Koolaid" bands, ie groups with whom you have become so infatuated that you cannot find fault with almost anything they do. I don't see that as an inherently negative description largely because I view all of my favorites that way.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Yow! Those last two statements are almost a perfect description of my view -- I say almost because there are things that sometimes don't quite connect (example I rediscovered recently -- Rocket from the Crypt's RFTC, which a couple of good moments aside doesn't have the same full careening power of the band at its best). But generally if a band nails it for me, THEY NAIL IT.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 27 January 2005 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

'emotion' sounds like the perfect song I'd like a DJ to play right at the end of the night, just after you've hit your peak, when you're thinking about going home, this long, drawn out anthemic stomp would be kinda perfect.

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 27 January 2005 20:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I played HAA six times the day it leaked, pretty much (with a small break in the middle) each one after the other. I like that it is abrasive, cold, mechanical, etc. - it is certainly a direction that will confound fans of Discovery's warmth and humanism, but I do like the sort of fetishism with machines that this seems to embrace. People's reactions are very, very colored by expectations right now, I think; over time, maybe that will fall away? I hope so, because I think it's a great record, and I think Ned is very OTM about the advantage in its short length. I think it's a great album that seems almost hypnotically abrasive, and while I'm taking a break from it today - I've burned myself on it rather quickly, I think - I can't really imagine getting sick of it. To me, the craft is still clearly there, it's just gone in another direction. The structures/trackiness of the first album with the textures and timbres of an entirely new approach.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 27 January 2005 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

i wonder if i am the only person who liked the two crydamoure compilations better than either "discovery" or "homework".

I liked the first Crydamoure comp (didn't even know there was a second one till now) more than Homework, but probably not more than Discovery. I'll have to give them both a listen again.

― Lingbertt, Thursday, 27 January 2005 21:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm looking forward to the CD so I can really feel all those square waves and vomiting frogs! Really!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 27 January 2005 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha stevo, I didn't mean Dalek the band, I meant Dalek the Dr. Who-exterminating robot that can't climb stairs, and the theoretical noise of their gastrointestinal distress.

Donut: I really, really dislike Sea Change. So yeah. The comparison sprung from the fact that both artists' previous records were hooky, campy ridiculous fun to the point of absurdity, with follow-ups that, despite the occasional "pretty" moments and about two decent songs, was all gothy as fuck (albeit the polar-opposite Nick Drake sensitive-poet/Trent Reznor animal-fucker ends, respectively).

― What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Friday, 28 January 2005 00:42 (twenty-one years ago)

for a couple of guys who shouted-out hyperactive, mike dearborn, jeff mills, dave clake, etc etc on their first album, there is precious little on this album for any of that crew to use. :(

― tylero (tylero), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:42 (twenty-one years ago)

was all gothy as fuck

Which is why it doesn't surprise me that Dan likes Human After All better.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:52 (twenty-one years ago)

But are Venga Boys goth?

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 28 January 2005 01:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Nate, I'm not quite sure about the Nick Drake/goth thing, but I understand why you made the analogy now.. I think.

― donut christ (donut), Friday, 28 January 2005 02:00 (twenty-one years ago)

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