hot take so spiceit was posted twice
i'm too much i'm too much comforted here
― sloop johnnin' skater (geoffreyess), Thursday, 29 September 2022 18:34 (one year ago) link
the recent Isaac Brock interview where he's still clearly fucked up is a shock because I thought he'd gotten sober. dunno if I read it or just assumed it because people like that kinda have to get sober if they wanna make it to middle age. perhaps I was thinking of Gene Ween.
― frogbs, Thursday, 29 September 2022 19:20 (one year ago) link
definitely some class stuff going on between the cultural/critical perception of MM & Pavement
This is all I meant with my community college vs Ivy league thing
― Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 29 September 2022 20:47 (one year ago) link
I was honestly curious. I hadn't thought of them as representative of different social classes but I was always more of a Built to Spill > Modest Mouse guy. Discussion was interesting.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Thursday, 29 September 2022 21:23 (one year ago) link
The class discussion had been enlightening; it's an interesting perspective I hadn't thought of before.
This is what I love about ILX. And getting piled on when I diss The Beths.
― The Ghost Club, Thursday, 29 September 2022 21:58 (one year ago) link
don't think we've forgotten about that
― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 29 September 2022 22:02 (one year ago) link
Cheers @pitchfork for ranking If You're Feeling Sinister the 25th best album of the 90s!https://t.co/dPXwExPurN— belle & sebastian (@bellesglasgow) September 29, 2022
This is quite sweet but my first thought was 'Cheers p4k for enjoying our album less than you used to'
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Thursday, 29 September 2022 23:04 (one year ago) link
It's 2022, everyone enjoys B&S less than they used to.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 29 September 2022 23:11 (one year ago) link
don't think much less though
― Dan S, Thursday, 29 September 2022 23:15 (one year ago) link
I've remained been the same on them - ehhh hmmm
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Thursday, 29 September 2022 23:24 (one year ago) link
I still think Tigermilk is great, but apparently Pfork doesn’t…
― "Cool ranch dressing!" (morrisp), Thursday, 29 September 2022 23:54 (one year ago) link
"The State I Am In" from Tigermilk is great as the one B&S song represented in the poll, and If You're Feeling Sinister still seems like a landmark album for its time
― Dan S, Friday, 30 September 2022 00:20 (one year ago) link
The only '96 B&S song I'm all that bothered about is Electronic Renaissance, but that's a real goodun
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Friday, 30 September 2022 00:21 (one year ago) link
Tigermilk has some problematic lyrics from today's perspective but it's still a bop.
― The Ghost Club, Friday, 30 September 2022 00:50 (one year ago) link
Yeah, especially post-Tiger King
― “uhh”—like, this is an insane oatmeal raisin cookie “uhh” (President Keyes), Friday, 30 September 2022 01:01 (one year ago) link
I like that Belle & Sebastian presented their early EPs and LPs as an unambiguous rejection of the hypermasculine music of the 90s
― Dan S, Friday, 30 September 2022 01:03 (one year ago) link
Sleater-Kinney's "One More Hour" is really great. I'm glad that that is their representation on the tracks list
― Dan S, Friday, 30 September 2022 02:58 (one year ago) link
It was my favourite SK song as a teen, and it's still my favourite now. In retrospect I shoulda figured out I was gay waaaaaay sooner. Fuck compulsory cishet.
Anyway, as much as I love the songs on Dig Me Out, I think The Hot Rock is their true full-length masterpiece.
― The Ghost Club, Friday, 30 September 2022 04:23 (one year ago) link
"one more hour" is their best song yeah
― ufo, Friday, 30 September 2022 04:25 (one year ago) link
Lists! On the internet!
― “Cheeky cheeky!” she trills, nearly demolishing a roadside post (forksclovetofu), Friday, 30 September 2022 05:26 (one year ago) link
went through a little 'exile in guyville' phase recently but LOL @ ranking it above 'nevermind'
― flopson, Friday, 30 September 2022 05:49 (one year ago) link
'american water' above any pavement album (also no 'wowee zowee') is kinda crazy imo. DB is one of my fav song writers ever, but the SJ albums are all kinda uneven imho. the pavement albums are just perfect front to back
― flopson, Friday, 30 September 2022 05:55 (one year ago) link
122. Roni Size / Reprazent: New Forms (1997)
hell yeah
― flopson, Friday, 30 September 2022 05:58 (one year ago) link
idk i think all the pavement albums are kinda inconsistent and chaotic but that's also supposed to be part of the appeal
but yeah american water being above crooked rain is pretty weird
― ufo, Friday, 30 September 2022 06:12 (one year ago) link
None more so than Wowee Zowee, which is a sprawling masterpiece of chaos.
Sebadoh albums make Pavement look super consistent by comparison though...
― The Ghost Club, Friday, 30 September 2022 06:30 (one year ago) link
'crooked rain' is completely solid
― flopson, Friday, 30 September 2022 06:42 (one year ago) link
I dunno, Range Life is a great song but it is a bit of a gimmick. And that fake jazz song is kinda cringe.
― The Ghost Club, Friday, 30 September 2022 06:44 (one year ago) link
the problem with 'american water' is nothing else comes close to 'smith and jones' and 'random rules'. since those are 2 of the best songs of all time, it's a steep drop-off right at the beginning
― flopson, Friday, 30 September 2022 06:46 (one year ago) link
crooked rain is the most consistent pavement album but it still has one goofy aside in "5-4=unity" and i do not care about "hit the plane down" at all
― ufo, Friday, 30 September 2022 07:03 (one year ago) link
― flopson
idk part of Pavement's charm for me is their insistence on shaggy-ass experiments that are best skippable and at worst active irritants; it's why I rank WZ above the rest. I couldn't imagine Pavement without them.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 September 2022 09:27 (one year ago) link
Pavement could make puzzling choices over what to put on albums and what to leave off; their B-sides were often the equal or better of their album cuts. I'm thinking of Strings of Nashville in particular.
― The Ghost Club, Friday, 30 September 2022 09:41 (one year ago) link
i resent the idea that it's ludicrous to rank exile over nevermind, it's a lot better (but they're both good unlike pavement for example)
― Left, Friday, 30 September 2022 11:08 (one year ago) link
Tbh agree, EiG is a much better record—
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Friday, 30 September 2022 11:26 (one year ago) link
Pollard is a better songwriter and an infinitely better lyricist/poet than Berman or Malkmus could ever hope to be.
this claim is false metal incarnate
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 30 September 2022 11:41 (one year ago) link
also false maths
― mark s, Friday, 30 September 2022 12:05 (one year ago) link
i can see people ranking American Water above CR CR. WZ is better tho
*the whole album is catchy--lyrics, Malkmus shredding, the drums. you can literally sing the whole album, the lyrics are so good etc*CR has Newark Wilder and Hit the Plane--now if they had put All My Friends on there, who knows? Or Raft?
― a (waterface), Friday, 30 September 2022 12:14 (one year ago) link
i love newark wilder lol
― comedy khadafi (voodoo chili), Friday, 30 September 2022 12:42 (one year ago) link
it’s a brand new era! it feels great!
― comedy khadafi (voodoo chili), Friday, 30 September 2022 12:44 (one year ago) link
That's one way Pavement remind me of REM. Feels like everyone has a different favorite REM record--kinda similar with Pavement. Probably mostly Wowee Zowee but I bet after that there's a lotta variety. BTW has there been a pavement album poll?
― a (waterface), Friday, 30 September 2022 12:51 (one year ago) link
ah yes found it. interesting. I'd probably rank WZ S&E (American Water) CRCR BTC TT
― a (waterface), Friday, 30 September 2022 12:57 (one year ago) link
i think the highest highs are on crooked rain, and it also sticks together best as an album qua album imo
― comedy khadafi (voodoo chili), Friday, 30 September 2022 13:09 (one year ago) link
hit the plane down and 5-4 are oddities that come with the slacker territory, but both are better than brinx job
― comedy khadafi (voodoo chili), Friday, 30 September 2022 13:10 (one year ago) link
hahaha we agree to disagree but i think that's what interesting about the band--tough to pick a definitive rant
― a (waterface), Friday, 30 September 2022 13:13 (one year ago) link
I sometimes say to others 'well I do like some Pavement, Wowee Zowee say', but last time I listened to it I turned it off pretty quickly so I'm not sure now.
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Friday, 30 September 2022 13:47 (one year ago) link
The liberals say they like them but I know that they don't.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 September 2022 13:48 (one year ago) link
I've never heard Terror Twilight, maybe that's the ticket
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Friday, 30 September 2022 13:49 (one year ago) link
Sebadoh albums make Pavement look super consistent by comparison though...III or Smash Your Head really should qualify for these lists – but like a few other major indie bands of the day (Unrest; the aforementioned RTX) Sebadoh seems largely ignored/forgotten now (Bakesale did make the ‘99 list, fwiw)
― "Cool ranch dressing!" (morrisp), Friday, 30 September 2022 14:04 (one year ago) link
Man Smash your Head was so huge in my day
― a (waterface), Friday, 30 September 2022 14:15 (one year ago) link
just a massive record. same with III
― a (waterface), Friday, 30 September 2022 14:16 (one year ago) link
God Imperial by Unrest, too!
― a (waterface), Friday, 30 September 2022 14:27 (one year ago) link