#1 is probably like Now 3 or something.
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 02:19 (one year ago) link
OK, Alfred, you like the shittiest music ever made, we get it
― Whiney G. Weingarten,
you like shouting to no purpose -- I understand.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 02:22 (one year ago) link
Idk good/bad but the earlier list had more to do with my experience of 90s music than this does. This list is surely for someone but not me. "Rebel Girl" in the top 10 = can't hate too much, though.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 02:23 (one year ago) link
"rebel girl" is the sort of punk that has nothing really compelling going for it except the lyrics & even then it's fairly 'eh' before you get to hanna's own mediocre-to-terrible politics that make the whole thing ring hollow
― ufo, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 02:41 (one year ago) link
tbf a *real* alfred pick would have been something off 'under the red sky'
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 02:55 (one year ago) link
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, September 27, 2022 10:15 PM (forty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
no limp bizkit on the list hitting a little too close to home?
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 02:59 (one year ago) link
is there any death metal on the list or no
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 03:04 (one year ago) link
There’s not even Pantera, Aero
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 03:04 (one year ago) link
lol clearly a list with its finger on the pulse of the 90s
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 03:05 (one year ago) link
Did not expect this to top Pitchfork's "250 Best Songs of the 1990s," but fair dues to them pic.twitter.com/asWJM4ykU1— 𝗗𝗘𝗔𝗗𝗦𝗢𝗨𝗡𝗗 💀 (@DeadsoundApp) September 27, 2022
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 03:06 (one year ago) link
realised tori amos isn't on the list and lmao how do you make a list that's like this and not include her
― ufo, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 03:16 (one year ago) link
Rebel girl bumped her out
― Evan, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 03:18 (one year ago) link
Is Carl Wilson going to have to rewrite that book now that Celine Dion is actually good?
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 03:24 (one year ago) link
I had absolutely no feelings one way or another scrolling through this list does that mean I’m depressed or enlightened? Just kidding. I think I just tune out when the criteria of a music list is so broad because I have such a personal connection to the music I do enjoy that I don’t expect anyone to identify with or understand it, so therefore I have no real desire to debate merits. I was just dispassionately reminded of songs as I went down the list. Not a single ounce of “hell yeah” or much much more importantly “wtf!” Damn maybe I am depressed.
― Evan, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 03:39 (one year ago) link
Also, NO Dave Matthews?!?!??
― Evan, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 03:40 (one year ago) link
I had absolutely no feelings one way or another scrolling through this list does that mean I’m depressed or enlightened?
depressed. i felt the same way. it wasn't enlightened. i thought "none of this matters", and then i saw myself thinking that and thought "what an asshole"
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 03:40 (one year ago) link
Well more specifically it’s anxiety in my case, because I thought “none of this matters”, and then I saw myself thinking that and thought “then why are you looking at it you asshole you’ve got WAY to much fucking work to do!!!”
― Evan, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 03:46 (one year ago) link
I think what has struck me about this exercise is with those past list they made since for Pitchfork. This one is just so blah that you should find this in the pages of Entertainment Weekly or something. I guess time marches on and all that but this is simply not for me. Hopefully albums are better.
― Bee OK, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 03:51 (one year ago) link
Which contributors are responsible for Wilson Philips?
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 04:48 (one year ago) link
Name names
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 04:49 (one year ago) link
John and Michelle Phillips & Brian Wilson
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 04:49 (one year ago) link
Celine Dion doesn't even agree with this.
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 04:54 (one year ago) link
Pitchfork snubbing Neutral Milk Hotel but including Korn and Celine Dion songs is just wild to me.
But yeah I kinda agree with what Bee OK was saying above. This list could almost be something that would appear in Rolling Stone. It’s probably better than the one from 2010 but it does feel like something is lost with, say, Archers of Loaf’s Web in Front getting snubbed.
They nailed it with #2 and #3 tho
― josh az (2011nostalgia), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 05:51 (one year ago) link
i'm with whiney, i don't really get the point of getting a bunch of ppl to write goop-on-ya-grinch style blurbs to 250 pop and r&b songs everyone already knows and loves. there's almost nothing on this list a young person getting into music wouldn't already know, or couldn't find about from, like, an extremely generic Best of the 90s playlist on Spotify. this form of middlebrow poptimism 2.0 feels extremely played out imho. music writers would benefit from branching out into other types of music
― flopson, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 05:59 (one year ago) link
it definitely has deeper cuts than that, though mostly in the electronic tracks
my main issue with it is just that it's swung so far in this direction that the rock rankings are all very weird to the point that like, "1979" and "enjoy the silence" are now somehow underrated (let alone "regret")
― ufo, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 06:07 (one year ago) link
27. Elliott Smith – "Needle in the Hay"
When they remake The Royal Tenenbaums in 2030, this will get back in to the 2032 list.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 06:25 (one year ago) link
'wild kindness' is a weird SJ pick to me; never thought of that one as a highlight of theirs
― flopson, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 06:34 (one year ago) link
Perhaps more current contributors owe it to themselves as paid influencers to bother listening through the entirety of previous lists before settling on their choices. But they don't, because they're lazy.
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 06:43 (one year ago) link
I logged in just to tell you to fuck off
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 06:47 (one year ago) link
This list could almost be something that would appear in Rolling Stone
In terms of institutional age and history, isn't Pitchfork pretty much Rolling Stone circa 1991 at this point?
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 06:52 (one year ago) link
― flopson, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 05:59 (fifty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
thank you for putting into good words what I typed out several times earlier and then deleted as I felt like I was being maybe too much of an asshole
― imago, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 07:02 (one year ago) link
you are free to like or dislike other people's musical tastes, writing, whatever, but it's unmitigated clownshit to claim that people -- many of whom are freelancers who are juggling this with at least one, sometimes multiple other jobs -- are lazy just because they don't enjoy the music you think they should
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 07:03 (one year ago) link
this list is surely stylistically broader than the previous one too
― ufo, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 07:09 (one year ago) link
the 2010 list was horrible
― flopson, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 07:10 (one year ago) link
the unspoken thing being that this form of middlebrow poptimism dominates ILM too, both due to individuals' listening habits and the monstrous razor that is poll aggregation hewing off the interesting parts of people's ballots, even if we are thankfully less inclined to write about what these songs 'allowed' 'us' to do or what 'cultural space' they etched out
is this new list stylistically broader? scrolling through it induces a giant feeling of ennui - yeah this is mostly good, but what's the point etc, so many subcultures just completely erased
― imago, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 07:12 (one year ago) link
lists like this and Pitchfork in general feel like the work of school bullies who also happen to be the cool kids
― imago, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 07:18 (one year ago) link
weird sonic youth picks too. 'tunic' and 'kool thing' just feel like "songs sung by kim on goo (the album with the cool cover art)" and not like anyone's particular faves. "bull in the heather" would be a more inspired pick in the same spirit imo
― flopson, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 07:18 (one year ago) link
o_O
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 07:21 (one year ago) link
2010 list has Ice Hockey Hair, so it's better
― imago, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 07:26 (one year ago) link
xp- lol i may be way off. kool thing rocks obv. seems weird to have 2 songs off the same album when dirty, washing machine, experimental jet set are right there tho
― flopson, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 07:27 (one year ago) link
yeah those were bizarre picks, even just sonic youth having two tracks place is weird, let alone one of them being a random album cut
the lack of sfa is a real shame yes
― ufo, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 07:28 (one year ago) link
that face wasn't directed at any specific comment tbh
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 07:29 (one year ago) link
2010 list also had a Boredoms song. like, you could maybe try have more of that sort of thing? pretty please?
― imago, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 07:30 (one year ago) link
a 90s list with the same curatorial spirit as the sunday review would be dope
― flopson, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 07:43 (one year ago) link
― mookieproof
my boo
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 09:28 (one year ago) link
― imago
It is in a sense a relief that in times like these you remain as clueless and myopic as ever.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 09:31 (one year ago) link
Picking on the list I don't mind and I expect it; but comparing a considerable portion of the women, people of color, and queer writers to "bullies" makes you sound like a legislator in a conservative state bitching about woke culture.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 09:37 (one year ago) link
Was the 2010 list done in the same way? The new one is a straight tally of voters' ballots, right?
― maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 09:55 (one year ago) link
i drew no such parallel. any sort of canon affirmation that eschews eclecticism and the avant-garde in favour of pop is essentially the assertion of might-is-right downward-punching in a cultural context no matter who's doing it. 'this is our music, this is what you should like', ad nauseam, and it's always the same rough outline, the same tediously regurgitated content, the same reduction of the vast, mad array of music from a particular era (or range of eras) to a shape of manufactured consent that excludes WHOLE SWATHES of what matters to a lot of people. and while i guess these people don't have to read pitchfork, it sure feels like it's p central to the ILM discourse, and so we have these clashes
and yeah, good to be inclusive. but i would argue this list absolutely isn't that. pitchfork is an elitist organisation that operates by creating for itself a powerful, exclusive brand, and it can use all the identity politics it likes to make itself sound more righteous, but it is ultimately an Authority and it operates From On High. it is the opposite of punk. i am not calling its individual writers bullies, nor am I claiming that they are not discriminated against on the basis of identity in their regular lives, but to my mind, pitchfork itself is the bully and its contributors participate in the bullying. no power is being fought by pitchfork. within its orbit, its power is absolute
taiwo's writings on elite capture feel apposite here: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/olufemi-taiwo-identity-politics-elite-capture.html
― imago, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 09:57 (one year ago) link
fight the power came out in 1989
― comedy khadafi (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 28 September 2022 10:05 (one year ago) link