pitchfork is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)

the album list will likely be more interesting because that's how things go

I guess it’s ok to dislike them but they are easily more impactful than Team Dresch, Bratmobile, Huggy Bear, Excuse 17, Heavens to Betsy, etc. it’s fine if you don’t dig them but none of these other bands really belong in the top 10. S-K are the only band that even had close to the same impact—it’s not even close though really.

the album list will likely be more interesting because that's how things go

I thought album lists in general are less interesting because things tend to canonize a lot more and follow trends. Tracks /singles lists are lot more wild and unpredictable.

I can't see Loveless and OK Computer dropping from their current top rankings but you never know.

I could see something like Illmatic unseating one of those.

Or maybe Loveless takes the top spot back from OK Computer.

#1 shocker = Suddenly, Tammy!

_ there are a whole lot of female-fronted rock acts on this list that are far better than bikini kill & i would have been much happier to see in the top 10
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Fair enough. I don’t think any of the other bands (including Rancid and Green Day) had the impact that impact Bikini Kill had/has. It’s not even close. Lol fat wreck chords? Home of 88 Fingers Louie?

The canon can change over time due to slow burners and cult classics, though. Nick Drake is a classic example.

I'd be thrilled to see Laughing Stock in the top album spot but it's not going to happen.

re:albums Yeah I was thinking Illmatic or 36 Chambers might sneak in there

xp Lol was just thinking 'I hope Laughing Stock is still above Spiderland'

you ppl are all insane

still happy to know you

My wild guess is that Björk wins the album poll.

True. There is a chance that something like Duster will show up on the list somewhere.

Unfortunately there are also albums I know that won't be on there because their voting form for the 90s Readers Poll wouldn't have them on the autocomplete. So I know, for example, that Pygmalion won't be on there.

mookie otm

I could see Post/Homogenic votesplitting preventing Bjork from the top spot.

S-K are the only band that even had close to the same impact—it’s not even close though really.

"one more hour" would be infinitely better in the top 10 than "rebel girl" & this isn't a list of "most impactful" songs it's a list of "best"

would be surprised if ok computer & loveless aren't still very high-up but i doubt either will be #1. homogenic would probably be my best guess

Pygmalion won't be on there because Souvlaki is the boring easier choice. It's a sad world we live in.

I'd be excited to see Comforts of Madness somewhere in the mix but I'm not holding my breath...

that is such a great top 5!

xps much love table, hope you're ok x

calling it now: blowout comb in top spot takeover shocker

(...i wish!)

but for real, marko otm- tracks lists are usually way more fun.

just noticing that “suavemente” made the tracks list, that’s pretty cool

Seeing it laid out like that, it's funny that it's really just taking out a bunch of dogshit indie rock music that sucks and replacing it with a bunch of dogshit pop music that sucks. Truly lateral move.

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, September 27, 2022 5:47 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Like forcing me to choose between the canon being Shania Twain or Olivia Tremor Control is truly a lose-lose proposition

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, September 27, 2022

so you're as delighted to see Annie Lennox's "Walking on Broken Glass" as I am!

"It Ain't Hard to Tell" went from #28 on the 2010 list to not placing at all in 2022, with no other Nas song replacing it, so I'll be very surprised if Illmatic is the #1 album.

I was thinking possibly Miseducation - I know it 'only' got a 9.5 a few years ago but that doesn't necessarily mean anything

OK, Alfred, you like the shittiest music ever made, we get it

#1 is probably like Now 3 or something.

OK, Alfred, you like the shittiest music ever made, we get it

― Whiney G. Weingarten,

you like shouting to no purpose -- I understand.

Idk good/bad but the earlier list had more to do with my experience of 90s music than this does. This list is surely for someone but not me. "Rebel Girl" in the top 10 = can't hate too much, though.

"rebel girl" is the sort of punk that has nothing really compelling going for it except the lyrics & even then it's fairly 'eh' before you get to hanna's own mediocre-to-terrible politics that make the whole thing ring hollow

tbf a *real* alfred pick would have been something off 'under the red sky'

OK, Alfred, you like the shittiest music ever made, we get it

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, September 27, 2022 10:15 PM (forty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

no limp bizkit on the list hitting a little too close to home?

is there any death metal on the list or no

There’s not even Pantera, Aero

lol clearly a list with its finger on the pulse of the 90s

Did not expect this to top Pitchfork's "250 Best Songs of the 1990s," but fair dues to them pic.twitter.com/asWJM4ykU1

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realised tori amos isn't on the list and lmao how do you make a list that's like this and not include her

Rebel girl bumped her out

Is Carl Wilson going to have to rewrite that book now that Celine Dion is actually good?

I had absolutely no feelings one way or another scrolling through this list does that mean I’m depressed or enlightened? Just kidding. I think I just tune out when the criteria of a music list is so broad because I have such a personal connection to the music I do enjoy that I don’t expect anyone to identify with or understand it, so therefore I have no real desire to debate merits. I was just dispassionately reminded of songs as I went down the list. Not a single ounce of “hell yeah” or much much more importantly “wtf!” Damn maybe I am depressed.

Also, NO Dave Matthews?!?!??

I had absolutely no feelings one way or another scrolling through this list does that mean I’m depressed or enlightened?

depressed. i felt the same way. it wasn't enlightened. i thought "none of this matters", and then i saw myself thinking that and thought "what an asshole"

Well more specifically it’s anxiety in my case, because I thought “none of this matters”, and then I saw myself thinking that and thought “then why are you looking at it you asshole you’ve got WAY to much fucking work to do!!!”

I think what has struck me about this exercise is with those past list they made since for Pitchfork. This one is just so blah that you should find this in the pages of Entertainment Weekly or something. I guess time marches on and all that but this is simply not for me. Hopefully albums are better.

Which contributors are responsible for Wilson Philips?

Name names

John and Michelle Phillips & Brian Wilson

Is Carl Wilson going to have to rewrite that book now that Celine Dion is actually good?

Celine Dion doesn't even agree with this.

Pitchfork snubbing Neutral Milk Hotel but including Korn and Celine Dion songs is just wild to me.

But yeah I kinda agree with what Bee OK was saying above. This list could almost be something that would appear in Rolling Stone. It’s probably better than the one from 2010 but it does feel like something is lost with, say, Archers of Loaf’s Web in Front getting snubbed.

They nailed it with #2 and #3 tho

i'm with whiney, i don't really get the point of getting a bunch of ppl to write goop-on-ya-grinch style blurbs to 250 pop and r&b songs everyone already knows and loves. there's almost nothing on this list a young person getting into music wouldn't already know, or couldn't find about from, like, an extremely generic Best of the 90s playlist on Spotify. this form of middlebrow poptimism 2.0 feels extremely played out imho. music writers would benefit from branching out into other types of music

it definitely has deeper cuts than that, though mostly in the electronic tracks

my main issue with it is just that it's swung so far in this direction that the rock rankings are all very weird to the point that like, "1979" and "enjoy the silence" are now somehow underrated (let alone "regret")

27. Elliott Smith – "Needle in the Hay"

When they remake The Royal Tenenbaums in 2030, this will get back in to the 2032 list.