pitchfork is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)

Never ever been a Mariah fan, which has always bothered me because I like at least some songs by almost every other pop diva. She just doesn't connect for me. But also, it seems particularly weird to name as the best song of the '90s a track that relies heavily on a familiar sample from a classic '80s tune.

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, September 27, 2022

I don't get this take at all.

this is like complaining about most hip-hop

I've noticed a few people point out that U2 are missing, but they weren't on the old one either! (If the albums list goes to 250 as well though no Achtung Baby would definitely surprise me).

"Rhymes Like Dimes", that was Alfred. Good work!

Bikini kill was probably the biggest punk band after Fugazi in the 90’s but y’all keep it up with the sexist angles it’s a good fit

women can dislike shitty punk too

there are a whole lot of female-fronted rock acts on this list that are far better than bikini kill & i would have been much happier to see in the top 10

hence Mariah Carey topping the list

this is like complaining about most hip-hop

Well I mean I wouldn't put Puffy's "I'll Be Missing You" on this list either. It doesn't have to do with using a sample, it has to do with doing something with it. Obviously ymmv but "Fantasy" has always felt like it's on the lazier end of the spectrum to me.

(But also nothing else about the song sticks with me, and maybe that's just me. Mariah is not my jam. I literally only think of the sample when I think of the song.)

"fantasy" is a better use of the "genius of love" groove than "genius of love" was

lol hard disagree.

But on to the real outrage, which is that there is no Suede on this list.

Whiney as Vicar of Challops this afternoon.

― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, September 27, 2022 6:52 PM (forty-eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Anyone old enough to remember the '90s knows that "Lukewarm post-post-grunge major label limpdicks Third Eye Blind suck shit" is not exactly like saying "Ringo was the most talented Beatle" gfoh

I MUST download a translator

Bikini kill was probably the biggest punk band after Fugazi in the 90’s but y’all keep it up with the sexist angles it’s a good fit

"fantasy" is a better use of the "genius of love" groove than "genius of love" was

"Genius Of Love" the song is 40% good and 60% awful ("JAAAAAAMES BROWWWWWN! JAAAAAMES BROWWWWWN!" — yes, good idea, I'll go listen to James Brown instead of you idiots). "Fantasy" (original and remix) is much, much better.

"Rebel Girl" has had an incredibly long tail. Anyone who was THERE, MAN might have opinions, but in the last 20 years it's basically become a standard. It's video games and PRESTIGE TEE VEE shows and shit

I'm not necessarily interested in whether much is or isn't being 'done' with a big liberal sample. Using a big undigested chunk from a great song in a new track can potentially ensure you land somewhere just as good. So for me it comes down to much preferring the mix of lovely whispered verses and goofy (and somehow not incongruent) staccato raps of GoL to what Mariah and ODB do. I do appreciate how Fantasy sort of recontextualises it as G-funk though - a bit like northern soul staple Sliced Tomatoes suddenly becoming surf rock when used in The Rockafeller Skank.

xpost Joan Jett walked onstage to "Rebel Girl" when I saw her a few weeks ago, which is a pretty solid endorsement fwiw.

But on to the real outrage, which is that there is no Suede on this list.

If there's any justice Dog Man Star will be number one tomorrow

ha literally listening to DMS right now, I've been in a Suede mood today.

I worked at a theater where we had "Frantz - From Genius Of Love Francois Ozon" on the marquee at one point. Everyone samples in their own way.

xp It's my joint favourite album ever but I predict it may not get a look in

I can't see Loveless and OK Computer dropping from their current top rankings but you never know.

there are a whole lot of female-fronted rock acts on this list that are far better than bikini kill & i would have been much happier to see in the top 10

Fair enough. I don’t think any of the other bands (including Rancid and Green Day) had the impact that impact Bikini Kill had/has. It’s not even close. Lol fat wreck chords? Home of 88 Fingers Louie?

the album list will likely be more interesting because that's how things go

I guess it’s ok to dislike them but they are easily more impactful than Team Dresch, Bratmobile, Huggy Bear, Excuse 17, Heavens to Betsy, etc. it’s fine if you don’t dig them but none of these other bands really belong in the top 10. S-K are the only band that even had close to the same impact—it’s not even close though really.

the album list will likely be more interesting because that's how things go

I thought album lists in general are less interesting because things tend to canonize a lot more and follow trends. Tracks /singles lists are lot more wild and unpredictable.

I can't see Loveless and OK Computer dropping from their current top rankings but you never know.

I could see something like Illmatic unseating one of those.

Or maybe Loveless takes the top spot back from OK Computer.

#1 shocker = Suddenly, Tammy!

_ there are a whole lot of female-fronted rock acts on this list that are far better than bikini kill & i would have been much happier to see in the top 10
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Fair enough. I don’t think any of the other bands (including Rancid and Green Day) had the impact that impact Bikini Kill had/has. It’s not even close. Lol fat wreck chords? Home of 88 Fingers Louie?

The canon can change over time due to slow burners and cult classics, though. Nick Drake is a classic example.

I'd be thrilled to see Laughing Stock in the top album spot but it's not going to happen.

re:albums Yeah I was thinking Illmatic or 36 Chambers might sneak in there

xp Lol was just thinking 'I hope Laughing Stock is still above Spiderland'

you ppl are all insane

still happy to know you

My wild guess is that Björk wins the album poll.

True. There is a chance that something like Duster will show up on the list somewhere.

Unfortunately there are also albums I know that won't be on there because their voting form for the 90s Readers Poll wouldn't have them on the autocomplete. So I know, for example, that Pygmalion won't be on there.

mookie otm

I could see Post/Homogenic votesplitting preventing Bjork from the top spot.

S-K are the only band that even had close to the same impact—it’s not even close though really.

"one more hour" would be infinitely better in the top 10 than "rebel girl" & this isn't a list of "most impactful" songs it's a list of "best"

would be surprised if ok computer & loveless aren't still very high-up but i doubt either will be #1. homogenic would probably be my best guess

Pygmalion won't be on there because Souvlaki is the boring easier choice. It's a sad world we live in.

I'd be excited to see Comforts of Madness somewhere in the mix but I'm not holding my breath...

that is such a great top 5!

xps much love table, hope you're ok x

calling it now: blowout comb in top spot takeover shocker

(...i wish!)

but for real, marko otm- tracks lists are usually way more fun.

just noticing that “suavemente” made the tracks list, that’s pretty cool

Seeing it laid out like that, it's funny that it's really just taking out a bunch of dogshit indie rock music that sucks and replacing it with a bunch of dogshit pop music that sucks. Truly lateral move.

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, September 27, 2022 5:47 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Like forcing me to choose between the canon being Shania Twain or Olivia Tremor Control is truly a lose-lose proposition

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, September 27, 2022

so you're as delighted to see Annie Lennox's "Walking on Broken Glass" as I am!

"It Ain't Hard to Tell" went from #28 on the 2010 list to not placing at all in 2022, with no other Nas song replacing it, so I'll be very surprised if Illmatic is the #1 album.

I was thinking possibly Miseducation - I know it 'only' got a 9.5 a few years ago but that doesn't necessarily mean anything

OK, Alfred, you like the shittiest music ever made, we get it

#1 is probably like Now 3 or something.

OK, Alfred, you like the shittiest music ever made, we get it

― Whiney G. Weingarten,

you like shouting to no purpose -- I understand.

Idk good/bad but the earlier list had more to do with my experience of 90s music than this does. This list is surely for someone but not me. "Rebel Girl" in the top 10 = can't hate too much, though.