ILM Ballot Polls for 2020 and beyond -- the ordering, timing, "I would have voted if I'd known about it," etc

ILM's Top 100 Tracks of the 2010s

ILM 2010s Tracks Poll: stats, ballots, norwegian disco, too much pop, all sound like a dream to me

ILM's Top 100 Albums of the 2010s

ILM 2010s Albums Poll Stats: 1270 Loved Albums

Are the powers that be ok with me doing a Wilco poll next? Would welcome help with images!

― Indexed, Tuesday, August 30, 2022 9:57 AM (one hour ago)

#115 is all yours Indexed as I don't see anyone else ready to do a poll at this time. I will also vote in a Wilco poll.

Wilco will POLL you baby

All right, I will plan to start this up soon. Thanks Bee OK.

im-POLL-sible germany

Random POLL Generator

I Am Trying to POLL Your Heart

it's hot in the POLL places tonight

She Fell in Love with the Drummer: The Wilco Poll.

(Yeah, I know--something's missing.)

Short on long-term POLLS

His POLL in life was to be an echo.

I would POLL if I could come back new.

I dreamed about POLLING you again last night.

POLL, Etc.

Wilco (The Poll)

Yankee...POLLtel...Foxtrot...

Wilco (The Poll)

This is the best. Should be followed by

Wilco (The Results)

When You Wake Up Feeling POLL - ILM Artist Poll #115 - WILCO/JEFF TWEEDY (Voting Open til Sunday, Sep. 18)

Are there best practices on tabulating results captured someplace? Or someone with experience who could answer some questions or share a google sheet with me?

I had planned to just give 1 point to the lowest ranking track/album and the number of tracks/albums to the highest ranking track/album. e.g., in a 5 album poll, 5 points. Is this standard? I am struggling to back into the math used in some of the prior polls but it seems like higher point values were assigned. Not sure if that would make a difference mathematically though.

I also don't totally know how to handle partial ballots. In the above example, if someone only lists 3 albums, would you assign those albums 5, 4, and 3 points, OR 3, 2, and 1 point? Or something else?

Thanks!

5, 4, and 3 in the latter case

here is that original doc: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-6UZjUc-eioPify1wTOMXe_dSsjOQ6pBu0ZjT0I7CCQ/edit#gid=0

I have always used that formula but added 10 point so number one would always get 50 points: 50, 36, 33, 30, 28, 26, 25, 24...You might need to start at 60 since this is a 40 track ballot.

Number ones always get the same score regardless of how many are submitted.

I have also done both, the same above scoring for albums and the simple 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 scoring but yeah all number ones got the 5 in that case.

Hope this helps.

I'd like to do a Canterbury Scene poll at some point. No time to do it now, and would probably need a bit of help, but maybe next year sometime.

looking at that spreadsheet I have never used the same number twice...so the number would keep going down for each placement: 25, 24, 23, 22, 21 20...

I will add you to the list

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Thanks, Bee OK. So you're saying you effectively give a #1 a "bonus" of 10 extra points, yes? Do you do that for the Albums too?

No, sorry when I say add 10 points I mean the overall scoring. So adding 10 means that the original starts at 40 points but I have always started at 50 points and then worked my way down.

50, 36, 33, 30, 28, 26, 25, 24...

So number one does get 4 more points than number two which gets 3 more points than number three...

Albums too but the simple 5, 4, 3 scoring sort of works better for Albums.

<<squints at explanation. raises eyebrow. closes browser.>>

Taking Sides

50, 46, 43, 40, 38, 36, 35, 34

vs

50, 36, 33, 30, 28, 26, 25, 24

I've always used the top one. I think it's more important to check ballots for spelling and punctuation, e.g. in this ballot make sure "Jesus, Etc." and "Jesus Etc" are counted together in the pivot table

lol, no wonder there is some confusion:

I meant: 50, 46, 43, 40, 38, 36, 35, 34

Going too fast and doing other things...

thanks everyone!

I always used a linear scale, which is what the EOY polls use, so for poll of ballot size 40, #1 gets 80 points, #2 gets 78 points, and so on, all the way down to #40 gets 2 points

There's a pivot table in the spreadsheet? No wonder I haven't been able to figure out how it works!

At some point you've got to sort the song list alphabetically so you can easily spot typos and such. Or paste the song list in an empty tab and then "remove doubles"--if any title appears twice, one of them has a typo.

I'm going to add The Police to my queue.

I'm going to do Super Furry Animals in the next six months (the timing feels right), just a heads up.

looking forward to SFA

Not necessarily volunteering (I'm no good with images or math), but just wanna throw this one out there to gauge interest: Poppy Bush Interzone singles.

Please add me to the list to run a Punk tracks poll 74-84. With war in europe, stagflation crisis winter coming, and general malaise, seems like the right time.

Noted, I'm not going to update the list anytime soon but I think this can go after Wilco if so inclined.

His POLL in life was to be an echo - ILM Arist Poll #115 - WILCO | JEFF TWEEDY - Results Thread

Going to proceed with Punk tracks poll tomorrow unless someone with more seniority in requesting a poll would like to step in this weekend.

Punk tracks poll to roll out first week of Nov.

https://i.imgur.com/NsUmpOR.jpg

Please Poll Me: ILM ballot poll #116 punk tracks1975-1984 LOBBYING AND DISCUSSION!!

Since that one is delayed is anyone willing to run a poll or even taking over that poll? I was thinking about running it but that would be a disservice as my knowledge in Punk has too many gaps.

i would totally run a sparklehorse poll right now if there is enough interest

i've got sparklehorse fever, and the only cure is to systematically go through the entire discography repeated times and administer a ballot poll

That's a poll for which I could only really submit a ballot from one record (Vividixie) but would appreciate the rollout and enforced poll-result listening.

yeah, i feel confident that you'd love the rest! i started with It's a Wonderful Life in high school, and only really listened to Viva closely for the first time a few weeks ago! since then i have listened to it many times. it rules.

one intriguing thing about a Sparklehorse ballot poll is that i really have no clue what the consensus is on either the album or which songs are the ones that everyone knows. the first couple albums have songs that sound like they should have been hits during a time when "alternative music" was still a thing. but then i'm youtubing and i see them making their "american television debut" on craig kilbourn, playing "it's a wonderful life", and you can just see that some of his most pop-friendly hits had been slept on

one reason NOT to do a Sparkhorse poll, though: maybe there just isn't enough. 4 albums (Viva, Good Morning Spider, It's a Wonderful Life, Dreamt for Light Years in the Belly of a Mountain), In the Fishtank with Fennesz, and Dark Night of the Soul (which I need to listen to more, it's hard to categorize). Some singles, EPs. But maybe that's not enough.

you could add the two dancing hoods albums to a sparklehorse poll.

yeah...very diminishing marginal returns there, though, i think. i'm not a huge fan of what i've heard. they are definitely catchy and replacements like at some points, but i just finished watching the 1998 dutch documentary on youtube and he refers to them as "that pop band" or something like that and relays a story about how he boring he ended up finding that, how leaving that behind led to his first "good music"

yeah, they were a very different band. but they had their fans, and maybe there's a discovery or two still waiting to be found, or at least a connection to be made between his "that pop band" roots and what he went on to do? just a thought!

oh for sure! sorry, i didn't mean to seem like i was shutting it down. i would definitely include that, and if nothing else be interested in what everyone's favorite songs were from the pre-sparklehorse days! i'm still very much in learning mode and haven't listened to some stuff yet, so i'd be open to absolutely anything that involves linkous.

it's sad, because way back in the day, the way i learned about sparklehorse was through radiohead. the "wish you were here" collab. but the thing was, back then it was the audiogalaxy era for me, which meant lots of freely downloaded songs of unknown provenance and sometimes fakes. so when i heard "radiohead' doing wish you were here, with Linkous' voice, i immediately thought "false". now, of course, listening to it i hear that it's radiohead (or at least some of them?) playing instrumentally while linkous sings. to my warped radiohead-obsessed mind of the time, i could not fathom that thom yorke would let anyone else sing, other then himself. so when I heard heard Linkous' voice it just sounded like "fake-Thom" to me. good lord i was fucked up.

i think i am just going to post a top 15 on a sparklehorse thread and be done with it

FUCK IT