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not so much really.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 3 March 2006 20:12 (twenty years ago)

I'm not surprised that this happened, and though Nick is at fault, I think that there's enough blame to go around. I can't personally speak for those at the voice, but few in Alt-Weekly seems to appreciate the differences between a music critic/satirist and a journalist, and I would be surprised if Lacy allows Eddy to continue to privilege the former. My own personal experiences with the New Times tells me that music criticism is not held in very high regard, though there are good examples of it in their papers, and that they are constantly trying to marginalize or do away with music criticism all together.

I don't know the history of this story, but I wouldn't be surprised if this didn't reflect growing pains arising from the merger.

Apologies for being so off-topic.

s>c>, Friday, 3 March 2006 20:15 (twenty years ago)

> they're hardcore about keeping the real stories real

like that's something you should have to make a special effort to do

"we'll run half real news and half The Onion, you guess which is which"

great idea

Renard (Renard), Friday, 3 March 2006 20:19 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, WTF.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 3 March 2006 20:23 (twenty years ago)

I want my money back goddamn it.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 3 March 2006 20:26 (twenty years ago)

the differences between a music critic/satirist and a journalist

how many "music critic/satirists" are there out there? I didn't realize this was a whole category. i know of a lot of rock crits who'll let their sense humor show in what they write but Nick is one of the only ones who seemed to be operating on the premise that The Onion doesn't do enough indie rock gags.

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 3 March 2006 20:29 (twenty years ago)

speaking of satirists, what's with the weird little script for a skit upthread? this isn't a wu tang album

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 3 March 2006 20:33 (twenty years ago)

is it?

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 3 March 2006 20:37 (twenty years ago)

If it is, it's probably Iron Flag.

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 3 March 2006 20:38 (twenty years ago)

it is a bit like someone sewed ILM's asshole shut and kept feeding it and feeding it and feeding it...

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 3 March 2006 20:40 (twenty years ago)

I kind of chuckled at that skit. I know it was wrong though.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 3 March 2006 20:47 (twenty years ago)

Well, SPIN seems to be hiring...

Mitya (mitya), Friday, 3 March 2006 20:50 (twenty years ago)

sub custos at best

vahid (vahid), Friday, 3 March 2006 22:00 (twenty years ago)

weaksauce

midi sanskrit (sanskrit), Friday, 3 March 2006 22:06 (twenty years ago)

Cryptic Slaughter is way better. It's all like, "why the slaughter?" "Who knows? It's cryptic." - adam

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 3 March 2006 22:11 (twenty years ago)

this thread actually gets better as it goes on. mostly because the people trying to defend him gave up (seriously--wtf was up with that "THE EDITOR DIDN'T LIKE HIM BECAUSE HE IS A FRAT BOY AND NICK IS SOOPER INDIE HIP" argument?).

Also I am totally using the argument that I was "fatiqued" next time I just make shit up for a paper.

Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Friday, 3 March 2006 22:20 (twenty years ago)

Well, the Associated Press just called me. I apparantly am a worthy source of insight or something.

This shit is getting really fucking huge, man. Despit all the snark on this page, I'm sincerely hoping Nick's OK.

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 3 March 2006 22:25 (twenty years ago)

Guys who like big
breasts tend to be into women with fake breasts; it doesn't
even matter to them that they're NOT REAL.

This is the first lie I've read on this thread that bothers me.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 3 March 2006 22:27 (twenty years ago)

Gawker update.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 March 2006 22:34 (twenty years ago)

only in America

rizzx (Rizz), Friday, 3 March 2006 22:39 (twenty years ago)

03 Mar 2006
Gawker’s Week in Review: Putting Nick Sylvester on Suicide Watch

this is just foul if they're trying to making a joke in that headline. Regardless of where you stand on the defending him/schadenfreude divide, dude is going through a lot right now.

midi sanskrit (sanskrit), Friday, 3 March 2006 23:47 (twenty years ago)

As far as I know/remember, Robert Wilonsky is the only guy in the entire NT company allowed to be almost exclusively a critic (well, him, and the movie reviewers). Rob Harvilla gets a little leeway in Oakland, too, but that's because he's really fucking good.

Chris O., Saturday, 4 March 2006 00:07 (twenty years ago)

gawker in douchebaggery shocker

maura (maura), Saturday, 4 March 2006 00:19 (twenty years ago)

That hat is unacceptable.

Pam R., Saturday, 4 March 2006 00:51 (twenty years ago)

I thought Wilonsky was a movie reviewer (at least in Dallas, where I knew him as resident smart ass at the Observer and various talk radio call-ins)

Dominique (dleone), Saturday, 4 March 2006 01:25 (twenty years ago)

anyone have to link or cut 'n paste of some of his better Lampoon stuff? Used to love Riff Central.

midi sanskrit (sanskrit), Saturday, 4 March 2006 01:52 (twenty years ago)

Hmm.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 March 2006 02:05 (twenty years ago)

The man taking over Michel’s position is Andy Pemberton, who was an integral player in the launch of Blender. Pemberton has laid off all the valued, talented writers on the Spin masthead including pop-culture savant Chuck Klosterman and Mark Spitz. He reportedly told the remaining staff that the magazine is headed in a very drastic direction and that “any music review over 60 words is just too long.”

Soon it will be like NME where any music review over 6 words is just too long.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Saturday, 4 March 2006 02:09 (twenty years ago)

sylvester oughta pitch Gawker Media on a music blog, fer crissakes. lemons, etc

erklie (erklie), Saturday, 4 March 2006 02:11 (twenty years ago)

that bringbacksincerity post is one of the most milquetoasty pieces i have ever read

mark p (Mark P), Saturday, 4 March 2006 02:22 (twenty years ago)

uh, Spitz is way more qualified for a music gossip blog. and he's definitely looking for work, too (that's one thing Andy Pemberton got right his first day on the job.)

how far away is "sincerity" and "bringing it back" from the hallowed tenets of rockism, anyway?

don weiner (don weiner), Saturday, 4 March 2006 02:23 (twenty years ago)

"gawker in douchebaggery shocker"

seconded. I stopped reading that shit when they were all "hey I wonder if the Halloween rapist is at a lunch meeting right now, maybe he'll get a book deal, har har har"

Renard (Renard), Saturday, 4 March 2006 02:28 (twenty years ago)

x-post

Wilonsky does music and movies in equal doses, Dominique. Does a lot of the old-man rock coverage, ie, when Lou Reed rolls through town. But rest assured, he's a very, very good music critic (Once upon a time, he was also music editor at the ol New Times LA).

Chris O., Saturday, 4 March 2006 03:14 (twenty years ago)

and the knives come out...

its unreal how revolting the majority of this thread and "whats on nick's playist" are. i understand some of you dont like him/his writing, but lets have some fucking class.

something's amiss here. i find it hard to believe a hardvard grad who's been writing for the village voice,pitchfork, etc as long as he has(and who is an associate editor at the voice), would all of a sudden succumb to some sort of "pressure" from higher up.

what he did was wrong, but i dont buy the official narrative as to why.

cheshire, Saturday, 4 March 2006 05:39 (twenty years ago)

You're not making any sense. Why would "higher up" pressure him to make shit up? What "official narrative"?

six mickeys bigmouths and some beef jerky, and a pack of pall malla, Saturday, 4 March 2006 06:01 (twenty years ago)

sylvester oughta pitch Gawker Media on a music blog, fer crissakes

From what I've heard, they've already got one in development.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 4 March 2006 06:19 (twenty years ago)

sylvester oughta pitch Gawker Media on a music blog, fer crissakes

From what I've heard, they've already got one in development.

-- Matthew C Perpetua (perpetu...), March 4th, 2006 12:19 AM.

blog under development, heh, that's rich.

pot shot (zachary v.), Saturday, 4 March 2006 08:08 (twenty years ago)

mark s = maker upper

(=probbly my favourite nme piece)

the lydon stuff must be on ilm somewhere geoff, though i forget where (haha or what my line was!)

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 4 March 2006 14:08 (twenty years ago)

(haha note buried sub-"quote" of g.marcus discussin r.meltzer!)

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 4 March 2006 14:27 (twenty years ago)

i guess the Warlocks, are finally getting an eye for an eye... karma's a bitch.

http://pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/w/warlocks/surgery.shtml

http://tuningforkmedia.blogspot.com/2005/09/nick-sylvester-unleashes-fuckin-fury.html

rakka shan, Saturday, 4 March 2006 14:31 (twenty years ago)

TS: "a promising career ruined!" VS "a ersatz non-story either way"

in the end the Voice is just another cheezy tabloid these days

WOMEN IN SEEING THROUGH MEN'S LAME SEDUCTION STRATEGIES SHOCKER

m coleman (lovebug starski), Saturday, 4 March 2006 15:18 (twenty years ago)

its unreal how revolting the majority of this thread and "whats on nick's playist" are. i understand some of you dont like him/his writing, but lets have some fucking class.

But people don't just dislike Nick's writing. They take great offense to the flippancy he displays, not only toward his subject matter, but for writing in general. He's that one "funny" guy (with the painfully unfunny column) at your local college rag with a press pass and an expense account: not merely a bad comedian, but an honest-to-God asshole who is just begging for a comeuppance.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Saturday, 4 March 2006 15:50 (twenty years ago)

This thread is totally sarged out.

ng-unit, Saturday, 4 March 2006 16:05 (twenty years ago)

i'm still waiting for that jaysonblair.gif atari penis riot CSS attack.

midi sanskrit (sanskrit), Saturday, 4 March 2006 16:23 (twenty years ago)

You might have to keep waiting.

WOMEN IN SEEING THROUGH MEN'S LAME SEDUCTION STRATEGIES SHOCKER

BUT IT WAS GOING TO WORK THIS TIME I MIGHT HAVE ACTUALLY LEFT MY BASEMENT.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 March 2006 16:34 (twenty years ago)

I'm still at a loss as to why the dude would make up not quotes or facts but the circumstances of said quotes and facts. That is, what in that article is actually made up versus inaccurate, other than the setting of that concluding conversation? What it reads like to me (and I didn't/couldn't read that too closely) is what might happen if he turned in a couple of drafts, his editor said it needed a better ending, and out of desperation/deadline frustration he tied it all together with some leftover or unused quotes.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Saturday, 4 March 2006 20:04 (twenty years ago)

(my memory of mark s's line on lydon: he has genuinely interesting things to say, but won't/can't say them unless you corner him & challenge him on his natural/lazy inclination to answer questions with provocative good-copy in-character lines)

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Saturday, 4 March 2006 20:31 (twenty years ago)

i've interviewed Lydon and i'd say he's completely aware of that, and does his best to make it as clear to you as he can from the minute you meet him that you'll get nothing out of him any other way. if he's not cornered/challenged he does the same sullen blank faux he can be just as automatic-pilot when he flips into his "genuinely interesting" mode.

In my interview, the most interesting stuff happened after the camera was gone and we just started chatting about Canadians and the Second World War. He brought it up, and he sounded much older than his years, almost as if he were old enough to remember the Blitz himself. Talked about stories he'd heard about the Canadian soldiers in the U.K. vs. the Americans after the war and so on... His basic thrust was, "you canadians are alright, and if it weren't for you we might've lost the war, but the Yanks take all the credit". It was a very weird and ancient uncle-ish thing to hear Johnny Rotten saying. Perhaps it was a very North American epiphany, but I glimpsed in that conversation how differently the war weighed on Brits, and maybe that 1945 wasn't so distant in 1976. Maybe I'm reading more into the brief exchange than I should, but it definitely stuck with me more than any of the interview theatrics.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Saturday, 4 March 2006 20:55 (twenty years ago)

sorry, that had nothing to do with nick sylvester.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Saturday, 4 March 2006 20:56 (twenty years ago)

("weird and ancient uncle-ish" = lydon since he wz abt 16!)

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 4 March 2006 21:09 (twenty years ago)


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