What's the future of the music industry?

So the music industry has a class problem. What creative industry doesn't?

It's easy to take shots at artists from privileged backgrounds. But the real hard work is in uplifting voices from less privileged backgrounds. I don't see these moaners doing that. Just talking shit and complaining about their own relative lack of success.

Yes, Wet Leg and Clairo got a headstart from privilege. But more importantly, they make good music. We should be uplifting all good music, regardless of background.

Call me idealistic, but I think it's more productive to give exposure to artists from less privileged backgrounds, than to tear down more privileged artists for their success - regardless of how much you think it's deserved or not.

You had me up until Wet Leg make good music.

The allegation about Wet Leg in the piece is that they “have the immediate advantage of several powerful music industry figures giving them a boost” – to illustrate this, it links to a Billboard article which says their former bassist worked for a management guy who liked their stuff and sent it to labels.

Meanwhile, it sounds like Dummy got signed to their current label because one of the dudes sent his tape around and a label guy liked it.

So Wet Leg had a relationship that gave them a leg up (pun intended). As a listener, I couldn’t care less… I can see why it might be annoying to someone in another band with similar aspirations, but I don’t get the writer’s withering hate. Sub Pop liked Dummy enough to contact them, so they’re well on their way. The cream rises to the top, right?

clairo is a weird case because the way she blew up was about as organic as it gets (viral hit on youtube without any sort of label push) & while her dad certainly would have been a big help in getting her record deal after that i'm sure labels would have been interested regardless

You had me up until Wet Leg make good music.

Tell me you don't like to have fun with telling me you don't like to have fun.

Ugh *without obviously

It's easy to take shots at artists from privileged backgrounds. But the real hard work is in uplifting voices from less privileged backgrounds. I don't see these moaners doing that. Just talking shit and complaining about their own relative lack of success.

I have no dog in this race but surely this is literally what the writer is doing? She's writing about a band she believes is from a less privileged background and superior to other acts getting more success.

the position that Wet Leg make bogstandard indie that the music press have fastened onto in search of a new saviour is completely defensible

their privilege is self-perpetuating. they've made it so they will continue making it. what especially galls is that they made it after 1 or 2 songs, neither of which were musically interesting in any way, just lurid slogans with a basic hook

because of all this, and because it is punching up at a group who have achieved cultural ubiquity on the basis of what feels to a lot of people like very little, i am down for all Wet Leg hit-jobs

okay having read that article, the bit about Wet Leg is just a small throwaway line - an apt bit of dismissal - in a much larger piece about the trials and triumphs of touring on a tight budget, and the craft of music-making

i suppose the poptimist rejoinder would be that if people like Wet Leg more then this validates their music and approach and canonisation, but my counter to that is that poptimism is not about celebrating what is popular per se, it is about celebrating ALL music AS pop, and the issue then becomes exposure - if you're an incurious listener you won't hear much besides the big names, and you'll probably think Wet Leg are the best indie going because you simply haven't had the exposure to much else, nor the patience to look for it. 'you hate fun' is the recourse of the person who hates listening

Too late to reconsider now - you’ve already just gone on the record condoning and enabling punching up hit jobs!

At length

i wasn't reconsidering - let there be aesthetic punching up, it's healthy and it's, um, fun

my takeaway from this once you get past the snark was "yes, bands can still make money on tour"

well, yes

Unless they have to spend it all on a new van. That van was giving me anxiety.

if you're an incurious listener you won't hear much besides the big names, and you'll probably think Wet Leg are the best indie going because you simply haven't had the exposure to much else, nor the patience to look for it

v obnoxious thing to say, assumes so much about a listener you've invented in your head

no chance i'm reading this whole thing, but i skimmed to the wet leg paragraph. i thought the "making music shouldn't be fun" quote was a joke lol

to clarify, i did not think it was a real quote from the article when it was pasted into this thread

The cream rises to the top, right?

It's nice to think this, but it's definitely not universally true. Now more than ever.

Of course (I meant that with a wink), but it seems to be true enough about the band she’s writing about. The point of the article is that “true DIY” success is possible and Dummy are demonstrating that, so why is she mad? Is she pissed they don’t have even better-connected friends so they too can be on Domino Records?

Their album got a higher score in pitchfork than wet leg’s did!

clairo is a weird case because the way she blew up was about as organic as it gets (viral hit on youtube without any sort of label push) & while her dad certainly would have been a big help in getting her record deal after that i'm sure labels would have been interested regardless

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it's funny because her dad's relationship with the fader (which initially got clairo signed to fader label) is prob more beneficial to the fader than to clairo herself, since they're included in her joint venture with republic

I am not discounting the possibility that there are somehow listeners out there who have heard 250 albums in a year, featuring a non-negligible amount of rock/indie, who maintain that Wet Leg are the best of the lot, more deserving of their listening time and praise than anything else. I don't understand you, but fair enough if that resembles you. However, I am saying that if you don't follow as much music as you frankly should as a critic/forum poster, you'll probably end up fatuously cheering on the supremacy of acts that get the Big Push from the big obvious places (and this doesn't just mean Pitchfork scores, it means coverage, hype, airtime). Like, I don't mind when, for example, I go on my soccer forum and see posters pipe up all 'Hey have you heard the Wet Leg? Best indie in years! Omgzors!' etc, because they're not music nerds, they'll eat what they're given and that's fine, let Wet Leg be the sound of their summer or whatever. But when you're on ILM, do the work. Poptimism doesn't mean laziness. That obnoxious enough for you?

I know Wet Leg only through this forum. I'd not heard of them through any of my friends who are still pretty plugged into The Kids and What's Happening Now.

the position that Wet Leg make bogstandard indie

given an article involving 'bands that sound like Stereloab'/'shoegaze in 2022'/'the cultural institutions of college rock labels of the 1980s'/'garage rock legends' this would seem to fall in the narcissism of small differences zone.

I admittedly haven't listened to Dummy yet

Maybe I'll do the work now

you don't follow as much music as you frankly should as a critic/forum shitposter

This sounds like Stereolab!!!!

Nah, it's got my attention. See you all in 40 minutes

frankly i'll never understand how enjoying the wet leg record is lazy if you're on an internet music forum

“if it’s catchy and people who don’t normally pay obsessive attention to music like it it can’t possibly be good”

"if you listen to enough music then eventually your tastes will resemble imago's" is a good argument for paying less attention

1988 letter page to Rolling Stone complaining that Depeche Mode don’t play real instruments

I didn't realise there was an album-listening qualification threshold for posting to ILM

I should have checked the TOS.

But when you're on ILM, do the work.

“I’m not mad, I’m just disappointed.”

consider the bar” he said, with an insouciant swirl of his snifter, “raised”

Dummy record has some cool ideas and some lovely moments. Don't think they're fully realised yet but there's something there. Can just about see why someone would write them an 8000-word advertisement, if they were friends with them

acts that get the Big Push from the big obvious places

We call it the Big P

wet leg down with OPP (Obvious Places Push)

you don't follow as much music as you frankly should as a critic/forum shitposter

― slide into my KMFDMs (morrisp)

my experience as a shitposter is that shitposting works better when you _haven't_ heard the band in question

wet leg? sounds like they peed themselves! haw, haw, haw!

(this works even better if this is, actually, the inspiration for their name - see also "i'm coming out? sounds GAY")

i heard about five seconds of them and didn't like it and nobody outside of this board has ever mentioned their existence, so i'm probably not gonna listen to any more of their stuff

how dare you question the cultural ubiquity of wet leg

poptimism is not about celebrating what is popular per se, it is about celebrating ALL music AS pop, and the issue then becomes exposure

i really like this

I didn't realise there was an album-listening qualification threshold for posting to ILM

Yeah I mean probably the best poster on ILM is someone who mainly posts about the same 2 artists. I would welcome more posters who are really deeply into one thing, I'm glad if that stuff can be posted here instead of on a fan board for the artist where i'd never come across it. And I don't think good criticism has to be "on the bear" either.

i really like this

I don't, especially. Adopting a pop-centred framework for looking at all music doesn't strike me as particularly beneficial, empowering, or enlightening.

i get why people see music that way (re: poptimism) but it doesn't work for me.

i heard about five seconds of them and didn't like it and nobody outside of this board has ever mentioned their existence, so i'm probably not gonna listen to any more of their stuff

I highly suggest you try out the tracks Convincing -> Loving You -> Your Mom(!)

I think they're truly great indie-pop/whatever

poptimism was a particular strategy at a particular time. i’m glad it happened and in many ways it “won” but it’s kind of meaningless now imo. though maybe not quite so meaningless as saying “all music is pop music” lol. what a strange thing to say. not all music is pop music. but hoo boy am i looking forward to not getting into an argument about it.