should i give the grateful dead a chance?

there's very few mythic dead shows that you can't just hear in their entirety, speaking of early '73, 1973-02-24 university of iowa is transfixing
https://archive.org/details/gd73-02-24.pset1-sbd.sly.16051.sbeok.shnf

i saw DSO do 2/23/73, it was really wonderful. been fortunate to catch a 69 show, a 73, and one of the amazing ones from july 1976. not sure i could hang with a brent-era show

My main Dead listening for years has been officially released live shows from 69-72, One from the Vault, a little 73-74, and a little 77.

I started this summer really focusing on 1973. Dick's Picks 1 (12/19/1973), 05/26/1973 and 11/14/1973 have been the ones that stuck with me.

Thanks for the tip on 2/23 and 2/24/1973.

Does anyone else listen to their birthday show (if they have one or have adopted one)? My (50th) birthday show is coming up in September and I've never listened to it, so I am saving that for the big day.

xps Early 73 is a very sweet spot. The Dark Star -> Eyes of the World -> China Doll from 2/15/73 is one of the all-time great jam sequences imo. Unlike lots of Dark Stars from that era, this one never explodes or collapses into dissonance--just a lot of flowing liquid jazziness followed by one of the most listenable Phil solos, which is joined by Jerry and Billy in the last couple minutes for one of their most beautiful passages on tape.

They didn't play a show on my actual birthdate, but on that day in 74 they played the longest-ever "Playing in the Band" (which I believe is also the longest single version of any song they ever played). So I've got that going for me, which is nice. PBKR, September 72 is as good as it gets so whatever date your birthday falls on, you're in for a killer show.

apparently hardly anybody was touring on my birthdate! looking at the shows listed on etree: bruce springsteen was still touring "born to run". genesis were on their first post-peter gabriel tour with bill bruford on drums. there's a happy and artie traum show... maybe, they're marginal enough that there's a couple of different dates given for the same shows. peter brotzmann recorded a radio session, i have that tape and it's quite good. the main thing that seems to be circulated is a performance heart gave on a local PBS station - again, i don't know if that's the recording date or the broadcast date or what but it is a _delight_, i will say. look at that amazing scanimate/dissonant synth KWSU logo. i have a real soft spot for '70s PBS logos, they're _very_ much my aesthetic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp862e4vaug

i'm watching it now. heart fucking _kill_ it. immeediately right on with a huge witchy vibe and a flute solo out the damn gate. honestly what grabs me most is roger fisher's jacket. oh my god i want that jacket. '70s rock and roll fashion was amazing.

anyway i know what i'm doing for the next hour or so.

OH MY GOD THEY JUST SHOWED THE BASS PLAYER, seriously that top he's wearing was _not_ designed to be worn by a man and was _not_ designed to be worn on television, holy _fuck_ why did nobody tell me heart were this fucking amazing in '76, shit, is buckingham/nicks era fleetwood mac this rad?

no, Heart rules over all

so _that's_ what the moral of "metropolis" is about. fritz lang predicted the coming of _little queen_ fifty years before it happened! truly this man was a visionary genius. and here i thought the whole film was just some weird slashfic about edsel ford and janelle monae.

70s era Heart is unbeatable

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5Uw8A2ryDJNyaVOEBmg1eY?si=nSThBGbtR3SOBA_eveMpVw

Big dicks picks compilation playlist maybe pretty much all you need

new Dave's Picks, vol. 43 at Family Dog & Southern Methodist -- tapes of this have floated around I think but it's a super nice Bear recording with a full acoustic set, Workingman's tunes very early -- a great "High Time" and "Black Peter" -- really nice "Dark Star" -- pretty great volume

xp idk if you're on the bus to the extent that you wanna hear all the Dick's Picks it's gonna be real hard to stop there. From my experience at least.

Q: Top 5 Dick's Picks?

For me it's 2, 11, 22, 33, and 36.

Oh yeah, new Dave's Picks is the best in a while. Two late-69 Dark Stars? I'll take it.

btw thanks to Kate for that Heart show upthread -- they were my favorite band when I was a kid and to see them at that power level in such a small room is incredible

Will check that, thanks. Looking for an Aug. 18 show, cos that's my birthday. Not seeing my birth year, and ones from late 80s, early 91s not so promising, so here's the most likely to be groovy: 8-18-70, at Fillmore West!
https://archive.org/details/gd70-08-18.aud.yerys.1346.sbeok.shnf

http://archive.org/details/gd70-08-18.aud.yerys.1346.sbeok.shnf

Yeah, looks like it's the same tape, judging by link info---

Sorry, meant for the second one to be this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMOW_0Xq2ak

One YouTube survivor, whose screen handle I can't paste for some reason:

Jerry keeps playing these insane improvised uniquely toned colored licks that he never played before or since, at these break neck speeds. They continue to blow my mind, in the moment, 51 years later. just smiling and shaking my head in wonderment. thanks again Okie. ('68 to '70)

Oh hell yeah 8/18/70 is a landmark show, properly kicking off the American Beauty era, which I think they were in the middle of recording at the time. It's got the first known performances of Truckin, Ripple, Brokedown Palace, and Operator in the acoustic set and a ripping electric set with a top-shelf Dancing in the Street. And it sounds pretty good for an audience tape from 1970.

Operator was such a fun tune, sucks that they only played it like four times

A+ revive, lots to investigate, thanks all

Also happy birthday dow!

Thanks! (Just ate way too much Oreo ice cream cake, annual ritual)

"Operator" was written by Pigpen!

Indeed, but Pigpen was still playing in the band for almost two years after "Operator" debuted--plenty of opportunities to play it. Apparently they really did only play it four times, the last on 11/8/70. Similar trajectory to "Till the Morning Comes" (played five times from September to December 1970). I get why the latter was dropped so quickly (imo the weakest track on American Beauty and solidly "of its era" vs. the timeless cosmic Americana of the rest of the album). But "Operator" was a fun/funky lil Pigpen feature. Not sure what the issue was...

these mixes are fantastic, especially if you're a little wary of the Dead's vocals, haha:

https://saveyourface.posthaven.com/grateful-dead-improvisation-1972-1974

I am in the middle of the biggest Dead dive in my life, so that sounds great, but this is laughable:

To me, this is where the Grateful Dead planted a flag that no one in the rock and jazz categories can dispute or directly compete with.

Dude needs to listen to some more jazz.

haha well, what's grateful dead fandom without a little hyperbole

(xxxp I didn't mean to imply that Pig's writing "Operator" had something to do with their not playing it that much, just noting it as one of his rare contributions in that department, after reading the little xpost article about him as writer, which I found after being made curious by mention of the almost-posthumous tape in the Rolling Stone piece: both of those linked upthread)
There's something to that Deadhead take, or at least I sometimes think of them as folk art, with so many genres and subgenres of 60s American music as parts of a big ol' quilting project, incl. job, still in progress, as they go ramblin' 'round, boys, as they go ramblin' round. (So not really rock or jazz per se, or entirely. The quilt is their flag.)

Just walked past an In This House We Believe sign that’s just a series of Dead lyrics.

was it this one?
https://i.imgur.com/Wa4mYxO.jpg

That’s the one!

is buckingham/nicks era fleetwood mac this rad?

I've been thinking about kate's question for a couple weeks now but in the context of mid-period FM and at moments I would say Fm made a better Pink Floyd album than Pink Floyd in 1971 and a better Grateful Dead album than the Grateful Dead in 1973.

1. yeah but that's bob welch-era fm, i was asking about buckingham/nicks, who i've never really heard outside the radio hits and some stuff from "tusk"
2. _future games_ RULES but pink floyd made _meddle_ in 1971. i can't take the idea that _future games_ is a better pink floyd album than the album with "echoes" on it seriously, sorry. i will grant that christine mcvie > rick wright, tho.
3. not too familiar with the studio _wake of the flood_ or _mystery to me_. are we talking welch as bob weir here?

can someone throw up a list of all of christine mcvie's fleetwood mac songs pre-1975? i want to make a playlist out of them, i should give her work a good proper listen

that sounds excellent, brb

FG:
Morning Rain
Show Me A Smile

BT:
Homeward Bound
Spare Me A Little Of Your Love

Penguin:
Remember Me
Dissatisfied

MTM:
Believe Me
Just Crazy Love
The Way I Feel
Why

Heroes:
Heroes Are Hard To Find
Come A Little Bit Closer
Bad Loser
Prove Your Love

there are two co-writes as well but those are the ones w/sole credit

14 tracks, would make a damn good album

sry to derail from the Dead but Christine rules

in other GD news, it's the 50th anniversary (more or less) of Sunshine Daydream/Nancy's Benefit/Veneta OR gig

still legendary around these parts and I still eat Nancys yogurt on a daily basis

_future games_ RULES but pink floyd made _meddle_ in 1971. i can't take the idea that _future games_ is a better pink floyd album than the album with "echoes" on it seriously, sorry. i will grant that christine mcvie > rick wright, tho.

I am probably irrational here, but FM has a better rhythm section, a better guitarist (or two), and better singers than PF. I would take Sands of Time over any PF song - it is the best.

Christine does rule.

More to the point of the thread, Veneta, OR was the second Dead show I ever downloaded from archive.org and I am totally going to listen to that Saturday.

I’m no student of this band, but have dipped into this set and am really enjoying the float.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_Theatre,_St._Louis,_MO_12-10-71

That's a great show, one of my favorites of the latter of '71. The official release does a great job of emphasizing Keith's work.

🙂

The stage banter is so gentle.

Speaking of Keith, way upthread here (or maybe it's the one about Dick's Picks etc.), somebody mentions a good show incl. him *and* Pigpen---yall know which one that is---?

Dunno what was referenced, but the 5/26/72 show that was recently given a standalone official release is a good one that has both of them pretty clear in the mix.

12/4/71 is a good one for both of them too, iirc.

They’re both on all of the Europe ‘72 shows.

(they’re not all great, but some are absolutely all-time. My personal fave is Düsseldorf 4/24/72.)

Glad to know it wasn't just the one, thanks yall!

there are two co-writes as well but those are the ones w/sole credit

― sleeve

super rad, thanks sleeve :)

https://www.dead.net/playingintheband cool idea even if you don't play along.

The highly-anticipated 2023 summer tour, produced by Live Nation, will be the band’s final tour since forming in 2015.

lol