Greatest Rap Album of all Time?

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Haha, my choices for best rap rekkid would induce "indie guilt"... K.M.D.'s "Mr Hood.", Leaders Of The New School's "A Future Without A Past", The Coup's "Kill My Landlord" or the UMC's "Fruits of Nature"

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 14 October 2002 04:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

Vol 3 and Broken Silence are the only ones I listen to regularly anymore. Also Pain Is Love, but is that even really rap as we know it?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 14 October 2002 04:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

oh sterl where has your love for hiphops syd barrett gone...

s trife (simon_tr), Monday, 14 October 2002 04:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

and who would that be, simon?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 14 October 2002 15:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

Common's best album, and my favorite hip-hop record ever, came back when he was called Common Sense, and it's called Resurrection. It loses ILM points because it has no guest shots by dirty-southeners or rogue wu-tangsmen, but gains 'em back because "I Used to Love H.E.R." started a feud with Ice Cube that almost got some people shot and had to be mediated by that level-headed individual Louis Farrakhan.

Matt C., Monday, 14 October 2002 15:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

three months pass...
totally krossed out sounds great in a car too

minna (minna), Thursday, 23 January 2003 18:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ah! A thread resurrection! Threasurrection!

Phrenology has leapt onto my all-time greatest list, as has Blazing Arrow. You don't have to agree, this is MY list, cockgoblins! It'll include albums by Latyrx, Tribe, Fugees, B-Boys, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Wu-Tang, Outkast, NWA, Goodie Mob, Spearhead, Disposable Heroes of Hiphopracy, Blackalicious, The Roots, Kool Keith under various monikers, De La, Public Enemy, Pharcyde, Eric B. & Rakim, Del, El-P, Atmosphere, Dre, Dose One, and will NOT include any Jay-Z, P. Diddy, Nelly, MC Hammer, Vanilla Ice...and it's MY list, so SCREW YOU GUYS!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 23 January 2003 19:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

"cockgoblins"? My god!

Anyways. Listened to Ill Communication again recently and was startled by how much I liked it. There's so many great little touches the way everyone yawps "we din't start the FIRE!" on "Do It", the weird "underwater megaphone" pseudo-dub effect that shows up on a lot of the tracks (like "The Update"), the whole muddy "rare groove" feel to the majority of the album that feels even more distinct once the ultra-slick "Sabotage" bursts out the gates.

I keep hearing bits and pieces of the Slim Shady LP and I've come to the conclusion that I probably should have bought it when it came out instead of letting my skepticism get the better of me.

Supreme Clientele. DAMN. A lot of the beats on here were already familiar to me the first time I heard this ("Saturday Night"=Pharoahe Monch's "Mayor"; "Cherchez La Ghost" = BDP's "Jack of Spades"; "Buck 50" = er... the Chemical Brothers' "Playground for a Wedgeless Firm") but for once I don't care. I love that insane stream-of-consciousness style and "Nutmeg" is classic x1000.

Oh yeah: Beauty Party. MAJESTICONS TAKIN' OVER IN '03

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Thursday, 23 January 2003 19:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

at the moment for me it's something by mobb deep. probably Hell on Earth.

Honda (Honda), Thursday, 23 January 2003 19:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

krumble x - the time i ate your soup

zemko (bob), Thursday, 23 January 2003 19:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

ice cube - the predator?

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 23 January 2003 19:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

The marshall mathers LP is like the hip-hop equiv. of slint's EP.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 23 January 2003 20:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

That's funny, I don't remember Slint's EP being the one that received absurd critical praise while it affirmed that they had nothing worthwhile to say or anything worth listening to to contribute to the history of music.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 23 January 2003 20:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

By which I mean put it on in the dark and listen intently and it captivates and scares the shit out of you like some sort of emotional equiv. of scrubbing yrself with pumice.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 23 January 2003 20:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh, right on. Sorry.

That album just really really bugs the crap out of me, makes my skin CRAWL...but I'm quite a weirdo; I put the Latyrx album on my greatest-of-all-time, what's that say about me?

;D

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 23 January 2003 20:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

no mention of Boogie Down Productions - Criminal Minded ? probably still my fave after all these years

Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 23 January 2003 20:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm surprised Only Built 4 Cuban Linx... has only gotten like one mention so far. It's a record I can listen to in its entirety every time I put it on, never gets old... it sums up everything good about Wu-Tang Clan in one album. I love it.

Bobby D Gray (bedhead), Thursday, 23 January 2003 23:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

A second (or is that fourth?) vote for Midnight Marauders, which only gets better with age. It doesn't hit you like the best rap album of all time, but I'm starting to believe it might be (or at least tie with It Takes a Nation in my heart of hearts...).

Pete Scholtes, Friday, 24 January 2003 05:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Majesticon album is that good, too. It's so annoying that ethan's right all the time!

Dan I., Friday, 24 January 2003 07:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

greatest as in most exciting to listen to today:
ODB - N***a Please
Dre - Chronic 2001 (miles above the original chronic altho I guess it won't go down in history as such..)

Fabfunk (Fabfunk), Friday, 24 January 2003 09:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

greatest as in best ever:

illmatic
the infamous
ENTER THE WUTANG : 36 CHAMBERS (hello?)
ready to die
CAPITAL PUNISHMENT (hello?!?)
ironman
blueprint

gi66y, Monday, 27 January 2003 15:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

Eric B and Rakim - Paid In Full
EPMD - Strictly Business

Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I do agree with the _Midnight Marauders_ talk, but it makes me sad that people don't agree that _The Low End Theory_ is just as good.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

I personally hold all Tribe albums (except that last one...blargh!) in the highest of esteem amongst all albums evah.

BTW, I think Run DMC's Raising Hell has been mentioned far too few times in this thread.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Low End Theory is grebt. Audio Two had a great debut.

Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

i really can't understand all this tribe luv

gi66y, Monday, 27 January 2003 17:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

'Fear of a Black Planet'. From the meagre number of rap albums I've heard, at least.

But 'Low End Theory' would make my top 5.

James Ball (James Ball), Monday, 27 January 2003 17:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

There's tons of Tribe luv because Q-Tip, Phife and Ali Shaheed Mohammed are geniuses.

_Fear Of A Black Planet_ is the best PE album, although _Nation of Millions..._ is very, very, very, very, very good (if only for "Night Of The Living Baseheads").

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 January 2003 17:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yo! Bum Rush the Show! was fucking brilliant too. My Uzi Weighs A Ton!

Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 27 January 2003 17:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

Low End is GRATE but CLASSIQUE? Like no way. Go for sth Kool Keith (Ultra Mag MCs) or Public Enemy

nathalie (nathalie), Monday, 27 January 2003 17:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

_Low End.._ is a stone classic. That album and _De La Soul Is Dead_ changed my life.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 January 2003 17:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dre - Chronic 2001 (miles above the original chronic altho I guess it won't go down in history as such..)

Why do you think so? I like 'em both about the same. Only thing is the first Chronic is easier to listen to since it has all its great tracks loaded up for the first half of the album, while 2001 has them scattered about. (more skipping around, see?) But it doesn't really matter since I just listen to a mix-cd of both of them anyway.

Capital Punishment is good, yes.

original bgm, Monday, 27 January 2003 18:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

Eminem The Marshall Mathers LP
L'Trimm Drop That Bottom
The Beastie Boys License to Ill
Cypress Hill
The Real Roxanne

But rap/hip-hop is not an album genre, so this list is not representative of my taste in Roxannes.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Saturday, 1 February 2003 21:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Back when this thread started, I remember thinking I'd have to bring up Breaking Atoms if no one else got around to it.

Andy K (Andy K), Sunday, 2 February 2003 02:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

three months pass...
Yo, G, don't call this a comeback, 'cuz this thread ain't never left!

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Fantastic" by Wham!

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 11:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Nation of Millions -- Public Enemy (it's true)
Illmatic -- Nas
The Score -- Fugees
3 Feet High and Rising -- De La Soul
The Slim Shady LP -- Eminem

chris herrington, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 13:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

So I'm all like "ew" looking at my old post...

...oh, and LIQUID SWORDS!!!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 14:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

esp.:
b.i.g. - life after death
2pac - all eyez on me

but also:
master p - ghetto d
gangstarr - daily operations
ugk - riding dirty
black moon enta da stage
big l - lifestyles ov da poor and dangerous
8ball and mjg - in our lifetime
might be on the list, aside from stuff already mentioned.


d k (d k), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 14:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

damn, how come Ice-T's The Iceberg isn't getting any love here?

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 16:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

because O.G. Original Gangster kicks its ass

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 15 May 2003 07:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like Liquid Swords, The Low End Theory, 3ft High & Rising and Nation Of Millions.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 15 May 2003 07:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

Actually, I like quite a bit more hip hop than just those; but they're the four I'd posit as 'the best evah' if you put a gun to my head. The best evah that I've heard, obv. Cos I ain't really a hip hop head.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 15 May 2003 07:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

one month passes...
Revive!

Death Certificate is mentioned in this thread, but how come no one's said AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted? I hadn't been listening to that record in years (I only had it on tape), but then I spotted and bought the reissue which also adds the Kill at Will ("Dead Homiez"!) EP to the package, and damn what a package! Even though it's produced by the Bomb Squad it's better than anything made PE (this is a highly personal opinion, I know, I just happen to like Ice Cube's flow and delivery a lot more than Chuck D's). I'd completely forgotten how good Cube was before he became a Hollywood star; I guess I should by the the Death Certificate reissue next.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 14 July 2003 14:06 (twenty years ago) link

it's a source of constant amusement to me how CORNY I was under my "old" ILM name (where I was kind of a great example of "nu-ILM" thinking on this subject)! but I still think that hip-hop can incorporate a lot of different styles and that all of them are valid.

and now that I've said that, let's all salute the genius that is L.L. Cool J's Walking With a Panther, which decimates Frank Kogan's non-argument about hip-hop not being an album genre.

Neudonym, Monday, 14 July 2003 14:29 (twenty years ago) link

Wow. Can't believe not one person mentioned the only hip-hop album I can think of that works, 100 percent, as an album:

Pete Rock and CL Smooth, Mecca And The Soul Brother. Not one bad track. No instrumental interludes. NO FUCKING SKITS. Just flow, flow, flow for 75 minutes.

Other nominations from me:

New Kingdom, Paradise Don't Come Cheap (Funkadelic circa 1970 meets Godflesh)

Schoolly D, Smoke Some Kill

Genius/GZA, Liquid Swords

Sensational, Loaded With Power

Ol' Dirty Bastard, Return To The 36 Chambers: The Dirty Version

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Monday, 14 July 2003 14:51 (twenty years ago) link

New Kingdom, Paradise Don't Come Cheap

Wonderful album. Did they only have the two releases?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 July 2003 14:57 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, but they re-constituted as Truckstop and put out an EP on WordSound. Vinyl-only, though, so I've never heard it.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Monday, 14 July 2003 15:10 (twenty years ago) link

I'll second Tuomas on AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted being better than any other PE albums. Hearing the Bomb Squad trying to do West Coast gangsta funk is like if El-P started drinking cough syrup and discovered the Houston/Memphis stoned beat-crawl. And the dichotomy of agitpunk skree and backyard chill plays itself out perfectly in Cube's articulately inarticulate misanthropy. It's a total flawed masterpiece, and it totally makes my top five as of right now, which goes like this:

1. Outkast - Aquemini (so much better than Stankonia, total definition of an aesthetic)
2. Brand Nubian - One for All (why hasn't anyone mentioned this one? It's so goddam good!)
3. Eminem - Slim Shady LP
4. Ol Dirty Bastard - N****a Please
5. Ghostface - Supreme Clientele

Oh. I guess Cube doesn't make the list after all. Fuck. Never mind. He's like #7 maybe behind the Blueprint.

Tom Breihan (Tom Breihan), Monday, 14 July 2003 19:20 (twenty years ago) link

No instrumental interludes

Um, yes there are.

oops (Oops), Monday, 14 July 2003 19:25 (twenty years ago) link


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