they're listening to kate bush instead
― dyl, Saturday, 11 June 2022 21:57 (one year ago) link
Bush was really fucked when they ran out of Nirvana albums to bite.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 11 June 2022 22:23 (one year ago) link
My friend has been doing a series on his blog which may be of interest here: writing up the songs from the Album & Modern Rock charts that _didn't_ cross over Pop.
https://vjbigsuit.wordpress.com/2022/02/14/fools-gold-vol-1-ready-for-a-good-time/
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 11 June 2022 22:29 (one year ago) link
oh, that's fun! good method for digging up stuff in this zone. and would be an amazing resource for an equivalent thread on the early 90s (which is way further from my wheelhouse).
― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 12 June 2022 00:19 (one year ago) link
lol there's a Bush-knockoff BritGrunge band called Addict covered in the first entry!
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 12 June 2022 01:32 (one year ago) link
I remember "Letting the Cables Sleep". I think my older brother also put it on a mix CD at the time circa 2000.
― MarkoP, Sunday, 12 June 2022 02:03 (one year ago) link
my other half put Addict - Monster Side on one of his first mixtapes for me. not heard it for 20+ years!
― kinder, Sunday, 12 June 2022 17:20 (one year ago) link
thanks for the blog link, enjoying this project!
― kinder, Sunday, 12 June 2022 17:57 (one year ago) link
razorblade suitcase is alright
― brimstead, Sunday, 12 June 2022 21:42 (one year ago) link
"Monster Side," wow... yeah, haven't heard or thought about it in 20+ years, but every second of it was familiar.
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 13 June 2022 01:31 (one year ago) link
More Brit Nerf Grunge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQTqX11zNjU
Feeder: "Cement"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc1ljqKNEMk
Feeder: "High"
The latter track popped up on the Can't Hardly Wait soundtrack.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 01:20 (one year ago) link
Dionne Farris opened for Bryan Ferry in 1995. She performed a 13-minute version of "I Know."
That song is an absolute banger.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 01:28 (one year ago) link
Self-XP Wow, reading Feeder's wiki--didn't know they were one of those Status Quo-style 'huge at home, barely known in the US bands'. 11 Albums!
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 01:31 (one year ago) link
25 Top 75 singles!
Who knew?
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 01:33 (one year ago) link
Only two of the original band members are left at this point?
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 01:35 (one year ago) link
Yeah, the drummer died in 2002.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 01:48 (one year ago) link
I've always wondered, at what point does a band simply become a group of musicians operating under a name, a la most sports teams? Is it like the ship of Theseus? A friend of mine back in college once saw Herman's Hermits . . . without Herman.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 01:52 (one year ago) link
it's from 2000 but "Shaniqua" by Little T & One Track Mike seemed like such a huge track when it came out, now I find that basically no one remembers it
― frogbs, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 01:57 (one year ago) link
I remember it! I saw the video on late-night MTV once, and never again. It stuck in my head for some reason.
― JRN, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 04:02 (one year ago) link
that stuff was like its own distinct genre, like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgBYdsKqCsM
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BXzphHiHD8
I remember Bad Ronald debuting on MTV and thinking "wow, I guess anyone can be in a band now"
― frogbs, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 04:09 (one year ago) link
^^Did this start with Beck, or G.Love, or even Sublime?
Seems like the biggest hits of this style were "Hooch" by Everything, "Better Days" by Citizen King, and I guess "Steal My Sunshine" by Len. Good-timey Alternative Hip Hop Rock?
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 05:21 (one year ago) link
Sugar Ray probably fits in there somewhere too.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 05:22 (one year ago) link
Beastie Boys possibly the year zero, and later on Gym Class Heroes ran with it all the way to the bank.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 05:29 (one year ago) link
On a different tip, I'm not sure if this ever broke out of the "Alternative Station Sunday Night 'College Music' Show" circuit, but I did hear this on the radio.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6pc-tWwccU
Drugstore (featuring Thom Yorke): "El President"
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 05:51 (one year ago) link
I had never heard “Shaniqua,” Scapegoat Wax, or Bad Ronald (the last one is pretty great).In addition to the other artists mentioned, this mini-genre seems kind of Bloodhound Gang–adjacent
― Bunheads Pilot Enthusiast (morrisp), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 06:06 (one year ago) link
i remember "shaniqua" but it seemed like one of those songs you would only encounter on mtv and nowhere else
― dyl, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 06:26 (one year ago) link
^^Did this start with Beck, or G.Love, or even Sublime?Seems like the biggest hits of this style were "Hooch" by Everything, "Better Days" by Citizen King, and I guess "Steal My Sunshine" by Len. Good-timey Alternative Hip Hop Rock?
yes, yes, and yes, maybe even "Summer Girls" as well. it's definitely Beastie Boys adjacent, like what if the Licensed to Ill Beasties made Hello Nasty
personally I could not get that "I've been waiting all day for that Bad Ronald" line out of my head. what does it mean
if nothing else these videos seem like they were a lot of fun to make!! always amused by the constant dancing and fist pumping regardless of what the music is doing which suggests they had no idea what the video was gonna look like when they were filming it
― frogbs, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 13:55 (one year ago) link
Oh I made a playlist a while back that I posted elsewhere on here that's very much stuff all in that vibe:https://open.spotify.com/track/1TF61rLJ7HQPgpFMHfblPA
Just added Bad Ronald in there as it fits. Shaniqua is a bit too funky and hip hop for the overall vibe of the playlist.
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 15:26 (one year ago) link
That link just leads to the track, can you link the playlist? Thx
― Bunheads Pilot Enthusiast (morrisp), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 15:36 (one year ago) link
Whoops:https://open.spotify.com/playlist/29OSMeThq1N86C0P7cBSxi?si=5eacf817e5b34eee
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 15:37 (one year ago) link
amusingly this tweet just went viral a couple days ago
back when life was great pic.twitter.com/KFoeHSybht— ༺☆ 𝔪𝔦𝔪𝔦 ☆༻ (@plvnetmimi) June 27, 2022
fun to see people discover it for the first time. it was all over the place when I was a kid. never understood any of the MJ references though, in fact I didn't even know it was an MJ song until I was like, 19. you know what, it doesn't suck
― frogbs, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 15:40 (one year ago) link
awww yeah that playlist looks awesome, gonna start listening to it now
I loved "Legend of a Cowgirl" so much when I was a kid. when I finally caught the video I was obsessed with her. though not enough to buy the CD apparently lol
"Soft Serve" is such a great SC pick. the chorus (is it really a chorus?) with the bass like a half step behind the vocals is a really great embodiment of what made this stuff so endearing. its all so chill
"Pinch Me" is also classic, imo that's the tune that should've made them stars, it's so perfectly constructed
― frogbs, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 15:47 (one year ago) link
Robert Pollard was ahead of the times:
“Three years ago I thought Alien Ant Farm was the worst it could get. Now I look back nostalgically on Alien Ant Farm”
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 16:04 (one year ago) link
first time hearing “Shaniqua”, but it screams Eminem to me first and foremost - which makes sense for a 2001 track.
― big movers, hot steppers + long shaker intros (breastcrawl), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 16:07 (one year ago) link
feel like Black Grape belongs in that playlist, after all Madchester was sort of a spiritual successor to all this stuff. Get Higher or In the Name of the Father perhaps
― frogbs, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 17:09 (one year ago) link
oh wow I didn't know there was a version of "Fly" without Super Cat. its a lot worse!!
― frogbs, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 20:29 (one year ago) link
yeah :( and somehow both versions were on the album
― dyl, Thursday, 30 June 2022 05:05 (one year ago) link
The bridge in the Super Cat-less version is especially bad. I thought there would be some solo or something to fill it out but nope, nothing
― Vinnie, Thursday, 30 June 2022 10:23 (one year ago) link
ok one more thing about Bad Ronald I clearly remember Carson Daly saying something like "kids, this is like Sesame Street on crack!" which is still very very funny to me
― frogbs, Thursday, 30 June 2022 13:41 (one year ago) link
belated response to the last revive: good inclusions, Grisso! and wow at Feeder's UK success. never ever would have guessed. also never ever heard "Cement" before, but it pairs amazingly with "High"; together, they cover some key bases of alt-rock as it stood by '97. obviously "High" is derived very much from the Pumpkins (I WILL), but it's a good bit and a good use of it imho. Soccer Mommy's "Circle the Drain" in turn updates "High" for a new generation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTc1w32Vbeo
MarkoP, that playlist is a GREAT encapsulation of this micro-interzone-subgenre. also agreed about "Soft Serve" being a great Soul Coughing pick! probably Doughty's best version of this basic song type, it pops into my head a lot, mainly when ordering soft-serv. Bad Ronald has definitely gotten some love (?) upthread, and Hello Allison on 50 Memorable Songs Of The Late 1990s That Apparently Only You Remember, Even Though They Were Totally On The Radio And Stuff .
there's probably a lot of stuff from around 2000-2002 that fits this bubble, even as it was getting pushed off the dial by nu-metal, pop-punk, et al., and as the Sublime and Beck affectations passed their sell-by date. i feel like you already have basically all the acts i'd suggest... maybe "Prisoner" or another downtempo 311 number? and Dynamite Hack's dumb cover of "Boyz-n-the-Hood." "Everyday is a Winding Road" might also qualify, and surely Collective Soul or late 90s U2 did something with a drum loop or a vaguely scratchy sample... also i think of David Garza "Disco Ball World" and Alana Davis "32 Flavors," though neither has as much "rock band" DNA. finally: Bicycle has this sound all over their debut album but not so much on their would-be hit "Electrolux" - check out "68" and "Daisydunes.com," now apparently retitled just "Daisydunes."
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 12 July 2022 13:42 (one year ago) link
surely Collective Soul or late 90s U2 did something with a drum loop or a vaguely scratchy sample
Well, U2 had Pop, which was very loopy, a lot of digital chicanery going on. This got some minor airplay as an album cut and was maybe the best track on it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=199bc_xIv5Y
"Do You Feel Love?"
...and of "Discotheque" was huge for about three weeks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpvF7Qq9svk
As for Collective Soul, they smartly combined looping and live drums on "Precious Declaration" in '97:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFebAtN7hhk
And they must have heard Pop afterwards, explaining this groove move in '99:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjTnYSlXQMM
"Heavy"
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 13 July 2022 16:01 (one year ago) link
Feeder's album from this year starts off sort of semi channelling Simple Minds ish. Which is actually a first for them I think.
From Pop there's also the very loop-y "Mofo" and the backwards hi-hats of "Miami". Neither a proper single (although "Mofo" had requisite remix 12"s).
― you can see me from westbury white horse, Wednesday, 13 July 2022 16:12 (one year ago) link
I guess the big diff, listening back to those, is that U2 and their disciples Collective Soul were both reaching more directly for rave/club music than for the SoCal stoner-skater-hip-hop fusion of these other acts. Another playlist could really track this whole, like, post-INXS axis, shading into the "electronics" fusion attempts recently mentioned in connection with Bush.
The opening of CS's "Listen" keeps making me think it should fit in here too. Just needed a pinch of fake vinyl noise to make the guitar-and-drum bit sound like a sampled loop.
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 13 July 2022 16:16 (one year ago) link
"Run" is another Collective Soul song that's got a drum loop going on throughout it.
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 13 July 2022 16:38 (one year ago) link
God, I hated Discotheque when it came out. Felt like it was played all the time on the radio. I still hate it now, it encapsulates so much of what I detest about 1998-99 chart music.
― kinder, Wednesday, 13 July 2022 21:48 (one year ago) link
Oh yeah. My local Alt-Rock station had a strict 'no repeats' policy during DJ shifts that they broke for "Discotheque"--I swear they played it every hour for two or three weeks.
I feel I should also mention here that I was one of the ten people who saw the ABC PopMart TV special when it aired.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 13 July 2022 22:07 (one year ago) link
The Apollo 100 thread reminded me of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GHN1Mu6VG0
Apollo 440: "Stop The Rock" (a summer '99 release that may have had more impact in 2000)
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 18 July 2022 16:35 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmw94O9OWRE
Fatboy Slim: "Going Out of My Head"
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 18 July 2022 16:39 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd_UCgMaHYQ
Death In Vegas: "Dirt"
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 18 July 2022 16:44 (one year ago) link
Last 3 posts brought to you in part by MTV's AMP and new Diet Mountain Dew.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 18 July 2022 16:45 (one year ago) link