Kate Bush

Yeah, again it’s problematic but it isn’t used as a word to bring anyone down. Noone is trying to offend other asians by calling them chinos, it has become sort of a synonym for Asian. I’ve very rarely heard anyone in an informal context use “asiatico” as a descriptor, they’ll probably go straight to “chino” if they don’t know where they are actually from.

The members of the Gipsy Kings are Romani, so they have the option. As for chino, well... I heard it plenty when I lived in Argentina (it's what they call convenience stores in Buenos Aires) but I'd be asking people of Asian descent how they feel about it before I'd say it doesn't bring anyone down. I'm pretty sure, for example, that I'd rapidly get some strong pushback if I called all the Sudamericanos I encountered Argentinos.

Not to mention from argentinos.

América del Sud

I can tell you right now that I asked my Chinese husband about the term, and he said, "yeah, that's racist no matter how you slice it."

What if you aren’t trying to offend tho

(reminiscing about the time i was shocked to learn that some aussies say "$@mb0" in reference to a sandwich)

What if you aren’t trying to offend tho

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not for someone who isn't Chinese to decide

Wait your chinese husband would be offended if called chino in spanish?

Or he is saying calling all asians chino is racist?

I agree with the second one.

And yeah I never describe all Asians as chinos before actually knowing if they’re actually chinese.

I agree table, was poking at the idea that “noone is trying to offend” = slurs don’t exist in Spanish

Slurs obviously do exist (indio to refer to “indigenas” in mexico, sudaka to refer to “southamericans” in spain), actually people from Spain can be pretty racist imho.

The slurs are very uncommon at least in latinamerica. I’m trying to think of slurs for blacks or asians or other latin countries in spanish and I honestly can’t think of any

If you’re tying to offend someone you say idk pinche mexicano o puto mexicano.

I asked my wife and it sounds like she agrees w/Moka (as far as she knows) - besides using a single term to refer to an entire group of ppl, like the example Moka cited

How did John Williams get connected with the project

My guess is through Hounds of Love engineer Haydn Bendall, who had produced Williams's quasi-prog rock group Sky the previous year.

In Peru at least, "cholo" is both a slur and a term of solidarity.

Ok if we take slur to mean words ringfenced for racism only - I was mainly responding to the example of an epithet being used racistly and the guessed intent of all the people racistly using it

My guess is through Hounds of Love engineer Haydn Bendall, who had produced Williams's quasi-prog rock group Sky the previous year.

Ha, I didn't know Williams did that.

lord I suffered the first two Sky albums when my parents felt they were like hip new approaches to the classics. At least I was introduced to Herbie Flowers thru the liner notes.

Wait your chinese husband would be offended if called chino in spanish?

Or he is saying calling all asians chino is racist?

I agree with the second one.

The second Sky album is rad, imo! Really fun listen.

Definitely meant the latter, particularly in this instance.
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table)

Ok yeah I definitely agree. Sorry if I didn’t make myself clear earlier. I don’t do it and find it problematic, there’s a big Japanese community in my hometown and I have to constantly witness and correct people referring to Japanese friends as Chinese. It’s slowly fading away in younger generations, but yeah latinamerica is way behind in having a more “global” view of world.

Then again, you’d imagine Spain being in Europe would have more tact and education with these things, but based on my experience living and touring in both Spain and several countries of latinamerica, they don’t. So I can’t speak for the Spanish people as they are ime very divisive and casually racist towards everyone, even between them.

I know it’s a stereotype at this point but latinamericans are generally warm and friendly. Warmth is Slowly fading away in big cities tho.

"I was 7 when The Kick Inside came out and I remember that among my parent's generation, it was one of those records that nearly everyone had in their little collection of vinyl in the sideboard, to put when friends came over for a drink. Along with Oxygene, The Best of Bread/Dr Hook/Cliff and The War of the Worlds."

Many years ago I made up a list of LPs that people who had grown up in the late 1970s, early 1980s had in their collection of LPs, because they nicked them from their parents' record collection and they were still cool in the 1990s. Breathe in.

That list included - yes - Oxygene, The Kick Inside, War of the Worlds - but also Tubular Bells, Parallel Lines, one of the aforementioned Sky LPs, Breakfast in America, Out of the Blue, maybe I Robot.

It had to be super-mainstream, popular, lightweight and unthreatening but still possessed of a timeless coolness. Discogs' recommendations bar for Sky 2 mirrors this list although I disagree with some of its selections. Albeit that Discogs' recommendations are algorithmically-generated, so I suppose I'm disagreeing with the fabric of the universe, or something. I am the vampire and they are the normal people! It's a cookbook. [Columbo pulls out hands; he's wearing gloves].

Don't forget Trout Mask Replica

I don’t think too many people bought Trout Mask Replica(!)

My old man had it. He didn't have many people over.

Is Demis Roussos in that crowd, or am I just thinking of Abigail’s Party?

a long time ago madeaux released a remix of the placebo cover.
this evening soundcloud blocked me uploading it.
hey ho.

https://www.discogs.com/release/3491998-Madeaux-Song-2-Running-Up-That-Hill

XXXXXP - I started a thread about this a few years back -

Records your mother listened to in the seventies.

Since we're posting covers, worth mentioning the Kate Bush tribute concert the Gothenberg Symphony did in 2018, featuring Malin Dahlström (Niki & The Dove) and Jennie Abrahamson. No longer on the GSO website, but some kind soul saved most of it to this playlist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi1_urzhZ-s

Probably my favorite ROTH cover towards the end.

That didn't work as I hoped. Here's the full Gothenberg Symphony This Woman's Work playlist, and a direct link to GSO & Jennie Abrahamson's rendition of Running up that Hill.

Sky certainly cornered the UK audiophile dad market in the 70s, IME

1992 bbc radio documentary about the making of hounds of love.. she's unbelievably articulate.

Haha, posts very much otm re Sky. Remember they were always the albums my dad would reach for to show off his setup

This bangs though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mfgPOnxH3E

Wow, never knew about this band who apparently had four top 10 albums in the UK. Not really as daring or exciting as I hoped but first album seems pleasant. Could see it fitting in with Oldfield and Hillage stuff from around that time.

That Jennie Abrahamson cover is lovely.

I asked my now almost 15-year old about "Running Up That Hill" yesterday.

Me: You like "Running Up That Hill," right?
Her: It's OK.
Me: Didn't you make a Tik Tok to it?
Her: Yeah.
Me: Did the song make you want to hear anything else by Kate Bush?
Her: No.
Me: That's weird, if I liked a song I'd want to hear more from the person that recorded the song I liked.
Her: (shrug)

Teenagers across the US stop thinking Kate Bush is cool when they discover their parents also know her music and think she’s cool too.

Tell it to the millions of new Elton and Queen fans.

Queen is one of the major points of contention between me and my 21-year-old musician son. He doesn't get them.

XP Somebody should do a "Cold Heart" remix replacing Dua Lipa with Bush's "Rocket Man".

xxxxp I want to say that was my instinct too when I was a kid. I never thought hearing a hit song on the radio meant there was much more to hear, it was always just that song. The only time I felt compelled to check out a whole album was if there were multiple hits on there that I already knew and heard on the radio. This only changed because I became more curious about music in general and actively explored anything beyond the charts and top 40 radio.

I like Elton now, but I sure as hell didn't when I was growing up. Back then he was the guy who sang "Can You Feel the Love Tonight?" It was a shock when I came across footage of his '70s concerts years later - bald and much more flamboyant, that guy had atuff that I still enjoy.

Queen seemed like the stuff of sports jocks - I was sick of "We Will Rock You" and "We Are the Champions" before I really knew who they were.

I mentioned Queen and Elton because the biopics hugely raised their profiles with my undergrads, who would've been in high school between 2017-2020. The biopics gave their parents an excuse to whip out the greatest hits for long car rides.

I can't get my kids to watch "Bohemian Rhapsody." I wish I could.

xp Oh yeah, I figured. I'm still shocked Queen's biopic did so well - regardless of quality, it's pretty rare for a rock biopic to do that well, much less blockbuster numbers and Oscar noms galore. (I didn't like it - saw half of it on a plane, never bothered to finish it after we landed.)

A Hard Day's Night was actually the thing that really got me into music beyond the hits on the radio - it got me into the Beatles, and from there the Beatles got me into everything else. Even though I didn't like Queen's biopic, it wouldn't surprise me if it had the same effect on a teenage fan today.

(well, as jimbeaux will attest, not all kids or even a lot of kids, but at least a few!)

xxxxxpost

Key member of Sky on the first couple of albums was Francis Monkman, ex-Curved Air, so they had genuine prog pedigree (of a sort). Tristan Fry was a terrible rock drummer though, should've stuck to the orchestra pit.

As perhaps stated in this thread earlier, most people are absolutely incurious about going beyond surface level enjoyment of the music they enjoy.

We are not those people.

table that post reads like an opening monologue to a badass private detective themed music mystery show.

("running up that hill" plays over credits)

My older one, 17, likes the 1975, but I suspect listens to them less (or admits to it less) because I like them.

I wonder if there are people out there who like "Stairway to Heaven" but have never heard any other Zep. It is, of course, all so foreign to me. I mean, everyone streams, it's all there, pretty much every piece of pop or rock or rap or whatever ever recorded, and then some. Why wouldn't someone want to seek and pursue music they enjoy outside of what is served to them by a TV show or movie or commercial or algorithm? I think maybe choice paralysis is at work. My wife, for example, I've noticed has gravitated to stuff like "robot, play music from the '80s/'90s" commands or whatever, and inevitably a half of the playlist sucks. I always ask her, you have access to all the music ever made, so much good stuff, why waste time listening to what is essentially a MOR radio channel that rotates the same 100 songs or whatever?

She doesn't really have a good answer, but I concede that 80 years of pop music is a lot of sift through, even when you know what you are sifting for. It takes effort. Like, say you like the Kate Bush song and you want to hear more like that. Where do you begin? (I am asking rhetorically.) Similar stuff, like Peter Gabriel, which may not scratch the itch, despite some similarities? Obvious stuff like Tori Amos or something, which really isn't quite the same thing? I've already in those two hypotheticals put more effort into it than I imagine most do.

Which is another way of saying, yeah, we're all a bunch of weirdos.