Cueing up "Soto's 115th Defense of Dirty Work & Press To Play"...
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 21 April 2022 16:55 (two years ago) link
... and "Landing on Water"
― Was Hitler a Hobbit? (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 April 2022 17:05 (two years ago) link
I thought The Discourse has decided that all of Dylan’s canon is now officially considered Good.
― DAMAGED by Black Flat (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 21 April 2022 17:41 (two years ago) link
OK, I listened to Leather Jackets. It sucks. The answer is still Knocked Out Loaded.
― Les hommes de bonbons (cryptosicko), Thursday, 21 April 2022 18:55 (two years ago) link
I've only heard two of these records all the way through, and I'd say Dirty Work is a bigger letdown in terms of the Stones than Knocked Out Loaded is for Dylan; at least it has "Brownsville Girl", and I like "Under Your Spell" also.The first record I flashed on when I saw this thread was Mistrial.
― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 21 April 2022 19:50 (two years ago) link
I'd be interested in hearing the defense of 1986 as the greatest year in pop music history, as it was literally the year I turned away from then-current pop and alternative rock toward other sounds: jazz, blues, world music and lots of vintage soul and R&B.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 21 April 2022 19:55 (two years ago) link
I'd be interested in hearing the defense of 1986 as the greatest year in pop music history
Run-DMC, Raising HellPeter Gabriel, SoBig Black, AtomizerButthole Surfers, Rembrandt PussyhorseSlayer, Reign in Blood...okay, I may have gotten off track.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 21 April 2022 19:58 (two years ago) link
Skylarking, Graceland, Master of Puppets, Brotherhood, The Colour of Spring, King of America, Crowded House, The Queen is Dead . . . maybe not the greatest year, but solid.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 21 April 2022 20:00 (two years ago) link
getting worried that alfred’s been in an accident or something
― mookieproof, Thursday, 21 April 2022 20:01 (two years ago) link
Landing On Water is a ton of fun, i like a lot of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqRvFxVXXxU
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Thursday, 21 April 2022 20:03 (two years ago) link
from the same era, Everybodys Rockin, Old Ways and Life are all much less interesting
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Thursday, 21 April 2022 20:05 (two years ago) link
I have to roll my eyes when you guys do this X-year is the greatest year in pop music history and then you name a bunch of good songs from that year. You can name great songs for any year dammit!
― DAMAGED by Black Flat (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 21 April 2022 20:30 (two years ago) link
I'm quite sure the other four are horrible (Dirty Work, too, going by the two songs I know), but Landing on Water is the only one I've heard, so that. It's horrible.
― clemenza, Friday, 22 April 2022 01:23 (two years ago) link
Are there any 60s/early 70s stars who had a good 80s? Struggling to think of any. I guess people will rep for a few Lou Reed albums from that era, but not me.
― Zelda Zonk, Friday, 22 April 2022 02:14 (two years ago) link
Some would say: Paul Simon, Leonard Cohen, Richard Thompson, Michael Jackson if he counts.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 22 April 2022 02:20 (two years ago) link
Barbra Streisand
― Josefa, Friday, 22 April 2022 02:25 (two years ago) link
xpost Yeah, I guess you have to say Graceland is a career high, even if it's not particularly my cup of tea. Nonetheless it's striking how the 80s is a missed decade for a lot of that crowd, some of whom went on to do more interesting stuff in the 90s/2000s (Bowie for instance).
― Zelda Zonk, Friday, 22 April 2022 02:28 (two years ago) link
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e3/d1/f6/e3d1f624e681e90ceffa311271bd3103.jpg
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 22 April 2022 02:28 (two years ago) link
Steve WinwoodRobert Palmer! (though Sneakin came out in 74)Ozzy?ZZ Top for sure
― OG Bob Sacamano (will), Friday, 22 April 2022 02:35 (two years ago) link
and I guess ZZ Too weren’t technically “stars” in the early 70s
tina turner
― mookieproof, Friday, 22 April 2022 02:37 (two years ago) link
the Dead technically had a good 80s (biggest(?) album and single, big tours)
― OG Bob Sacamano (will), Friday, 22 April 2022 02:37 (two years ago) link
oh Tina for sure. Cher.
― OG Bob Sacamano (will), Friday, 22 April 2022 02:38 (two years ago) link
Tina Turner's Private Dancer is pretty great - but there's the toe-curling duet with Bowie to balance it out!
― Zelda Zonk, Friday, 22 April 2022 02:40 (two years ago) link
ZZ Top were pretty big in the early '70s--Tres Hombres went Gold on original release.
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 22 April 2022 02:41 (two years ago) link
yep that was what like ‘73?HeartRoy Orbison
― OG Bob Sacamano (will), Friday, 22 April 2022 02:42 (two years ago) link
http://waytofamous.com/files/images/images/don-henley.jpg
Well, yeah.
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 22 April 2022 02:43 (two years ago) link
there he is
― OG Bob Sacamano (will), Friday, 22 April 2022 02:44 (two years ago) link
Not a fan myself, and I guess he wasn't really a star in the '70s, but Tom Waits.
― clemenza, Friday, 22 April 2022 02:44 (two years ago) link
Stevie Wonder but at some point it becomes legacy acts who hit a(n admittedly massive) lick or two
― OG Bob Sacamano (will), Friday, 22 April 2022 02:47 (two years ago) link
eg Philip Bailey, Rod Stewart
― OG Bob Sacamano (will), Friday, 22 April 2022 02:48 (two years ago) link
Definitely many exceptions to the rule,but I think there are quite a few acts from this generation who have something to say when they're young, and something to say when they're old - but in the middle they are just keeping their hand in and trying to make some money. I mean, Bowie is the paradigm here, but I'm sure there are others - Dylan maybe.
― Zelda Zonk, Friday, 22 April 2022 02:53 (two years ago) link
J Geils Band
― OG Bob Sacamano (will), Friday, 22 April 2022 02:53 (two years ago) link
oooh Yes
― OG Bob Sacamano (will), Friday, 22 April 2022 02:57 (two years ago) link
J. Geils Band crapped out in ‘85, they didn’t have a totally awesome’80s
― Josefa, Friday, 22 April 2022 03:08 (two years ago) link
Kool & the Gang
― Josefa, Friday, 22 April 2022 03:12 (two years ago) link
This period seems to be the time when most of these artists have strayed their farthest into what is most recognisably ‘80s’; generally, the furthest distance from their signature sound or production, with the fallout being that most return to a more recognisable, ‘rootsier’ sound and image by the very late 80s (to the extent that many are deemed comebacks)
― Master of Treacle, Friday, 22 April 2022 03:34 (two years ago) link
SparksRoky Erickson had a couple of great recordsRobert Wyatt released “Shipbuilding”
― Chris L, Friday, 22 April 2022 10:26 (two years ago) link
Interesting that some of these artists had a pretty successful early 80s— Mac with Tug of War, Stones with Tattoo You, Elton had some big singles. I don’t know if Infidels was a hit, but it was viewed as a comeback. Dylan was an odd case—entering his canonization phase (box set, closing act at Live Aid) while making some of his worst albums.
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Friday, 22 April 2022 10:59 (two years ago) link
― mookieproof,
Traveling!
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 April 2022 11:38 (two years ago) link
And you guys are fucking crazy.
Dirty Work is the Stones' last great album, marred by a zealous Lillywhite mix and a few ill-chosen instrumental parts played by sessioneers. Peak Richards-Wood guitar cross talk, peak Richards balladry ("Sleep Tonight"), peak Jagger lyrics.
Marred by the same problems, Press to Play is McCartney creating his own pot-created parallel universe. Not as many peaks as Dirty Work, but "Stranglehold," "Good Times/Feel the Sun," and, my god, the utterly daft "Press" (check out those Linda backup vocals) are marvelous.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 April 2022 11:41 (two years ago) link
― Zelda Zonk, Thursday
That's on the live album.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 April 2022 11:42 (two years ago) link
And, yeah, 1986 was a pretty great pop year by my reckoning.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 April 2022 11:44 (two years ago) link
The first record I flashed on when I saw this thread was Mistrial.
Almost included this, but then I saw that the reviews were actually pretty decent.
― Les hommes de bonbons (cryptosicko), Friday, 22 April 2022 15:08 (two years ago) link
and it's not a bad Lou Reed record
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 April 2022 15:22 (two years ago) link
"The Original Wrapper" is OK.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 22 April 2022 15:30 (two years ago) link
"Tell It To Your Heart," "I Remember You," too.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 April 2022 15:50 (two years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Wednesday, 4 May 2022 00:01 (two years ago) link
anyone calling press to play a nadir never listened to off the ground
― ✖, Wednesday, 4 May 2022 00:20 (two years ago) link
otm
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 May 2022 00:21 (two years ago) link
Leather Jackets is quite obviously the worst piece of shit: a disgraceful full frontal assault on one's frontal lobe, an example of an artist, reeling from addiction, using instinct and craft, he thinks, to get him through contractual obligation.
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― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 May 2022 00:24 (two years ago) link
What about Joni? Dog Eat Dog or Wild Things Run Fast?
― Cow_Art, Wednesday, 4 May 2022 03:23 (two years ago) link
82 and 85, respectively.
(those are nowhere near as bad as some of the ones in this poll tho. hoo boy, alfred really otm.)
― Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Wednesday, 4 May 2022 03:36 (two years ago) link
“Good Friends” on Dog Eat Dog isn’t bad.
― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 4 May 2022 14:02 (two years ago) link
The former has the haunting "Chinese Café / Unchained Melody" too.
― Les hommes de bonbons (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 4 May 2022 14:27 (two years ago) link
WTRF bores me more than DED
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 May 2022 14:30 (two years ago) link
I heard both Dog Eat Dog and Chalk Mark in a Rainstorm when I was a teenager, it took a couple of decades for me to hear the depths in some of the songs. Of course, there's a lot of sonic garishness on those records too.
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 4 May 2022 14:32 (two years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Thursday, 5 May 2022 00:01 (two years ago) link
TBH I haven’t heard Leather Jackets or Landing on Water. Can’t recall a thing about Knocked Out Loaded, but I do recall Press to Play being better than its reputation, and Dirty Work is actually a pretty good ugly rock & roll record marred by some below-average songwriting (but sonically it’s kind of a hoot).
― war mice (hardcore dilettante), Thursday, 5 May 2022 00:13 (two years ago) link
The Landing On Water track posted above is the first song I've heard from it, despite being a big Neil fan. Those drums sound so weird! What's the deal with that? Are they just mixed too loud and recorded badly?
― Cow_Art, Thursday, 5 May 2022 03:21 (two years ago) link