Rolling Stones' Goats Head Soup - is it underrated because it came after Exile?

But I guess you are addressing my question re battle of the NJs.

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yeah

xp Mr. D, Heartbreaker, 100 Years Ago are all top tier Stones for me. I think Winter is great, but it and stuff like Coming Down Again points out that the album gets by on vibe more than the previous four albums. But what a vibe! It's like they took the strung out, indistinct elements of Sticky Fingers and Exile and made a whole album of it.

Is it just me or is there way more keyboards on this album than the previous ones?

and those keyboards dominate the next two albums.

other than the singles, I never heard this record until like 2014 or something… I think "starfucker" was notorious for the time, but now you could probly "be rilly rilly into the Stones" but never have heard the song… and "can you hear music," with hints of the Jajouka/Brian Jones record, is maybe the closest they ever came to mystical proggish shit; also MJ at least was noticing Bowie and T Rex at this time, which certainly influenced the presentation/packaging…

Mr. D is their Alice Cooper move.

yep, good point

This was the first Stones record I ever owned, and for that alone it would have a special place in my heart. It's got a few bangers on it besides "Heartbreaker," though: "Hide Your Love," "100 Years Ago," "Dancing with Mr. D."

"Angie" is good but overplayed.

Joni Mitchell - For The Roses

Rock of the Westies

Foot Loose and Fancy Free?

Blue Sky Mining

Border Lord

Rock of the Westies seems like a classic NJ album: still managed to debut at #1 like its predecessor; one smash #1 single; a follow-up that stiffed, his first to miss the top ten in three years.

this is maybe a 70s mini-genre of albums where drug fatigue caught up with the artist

For the Roses is underrated, but it's more like a "detour on the road to greater success" record. Joni's would be Hissing of Summer Lawns or Don Juan's Reckless Daughter, depending how you view her career.

The problem with Rock of the Westies is that no-one I've heard refers to Caribou as one of a string of great albums.

Goodness or greatness has nothing to do with qualifying for a New Jersey, though.

And plenty of critics think Honkey Chateau, Goodbye Yellow Brick Road, and Captain Fantastic... qualify as good to great albums, incidentally.

I was still going by the original post in this revive: "end of a magical run".

Caribou had "Don't Let the Sun Go Down On Me"--which is magical enough for me

also Caribou came out 8 months after GYBR, which is ridiculous by today's standards

OK, but Goats Head Soup had "Angie", that makes it even more of a match.

but Angie sucks

yeah

this is maybe a 70s mini-genre of albums where drug fatigue caught up with the artist

This is a significant factor and maybe more what I am going for (cf Presence).

Angie, is awesome wtf.

So time for my Angie story. Girl I went to prom with in HS was named Angie and so I gave her a cassette of GHS even though I didn't know the album. She looked at it and gave it back to me saying, "my last boyfriend gave me this album." I didn't listen to it for 20+ years after that.

What a heartbreaker!

(Doo doo doo doo doo)

imagine what Amanda went through

Coincidentally enough, the first two Elton John albums I bought were Madman Across the Water and Rock of the Westies (which must have been his latest at the time). Talk about a study in contrasts.

I suppose you could add Aerosmith's Draw the Line

"Draw the Line was untogether because we weren't a cohesive unit anymore," guitarist Joe Perry admitted in the Stephen Davis band memoir Walk This Way. "We were drug addicts dabbling in music, rather than musicians dabbling in drugs.

Aerosmith had a run of two great albums--well, okay, two great albums and one almost great album. Admittedly, the two were great fucking albums, but it's been 46 years now.

I would argue that every Aerosmith album from the debut through Rock in a Hard Place is at least worth hearing, nothing they've done since has even risen to the level of mediocrity, and some of it is among the worst music ever recorded in English.

Aerosmith was great until they signed with Geffen
Though I would love to hear mid 70s version of “elevator,” that song is great even it *sounds* like sh1t

Sped up and roughed up around the edges, that tune would kick

Rats in the Elevator

Yes!

There's Glitter In Me Cocaine!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOUetwr3h04

Love Charlie's "This Fuckin' Guy Over Here..." reaction cutaways.

^^Which is basically Charlie in all their '70s promos.

End of Prince's magical run (relatively) would be Lovesexy, right?
Also Grateful Dead Wake of the Flood

Love that video. (Love most of the Stones' proto-music videos from the '70s.) Mick Jagger looks like someone's aunt in a lip-sync contest. Mick Taylor looks 14. Bill Wyman looks like he's in Black Sabbath. Charlie Watts looks like he wants to throat-punch everyone else. Keith is...present.

"Hand of Fate" is a banger as well.

I'm a afraid Keith is going to spray teeth everywhere every time he steps up to the microphone.

Is Wake of the Flood considered a disappointment?

I’m listening to this for the first time because of this thread.

What do you think?

He's probably still asleep.

xp With Prince it depends how you think about it. His sales basically declined, album to album, from Purple Rain through Lovesexy, with the cover nude basically cementing the "Prince is Weird" mainstream narrative. His commercial fortunes then actually improved with Batman and Diamonds & Pearls, before another tumble. Artistically it's arguable but I'd venture that many Prince fans think his godlike run definitely includes Lovesexy; if it had a different cover I think fewer people would consider it a falloff.

In Europe he did better during the late '80s than in America, and look at his album hits in England after that.

I like Elton John, but he's mostly a singles artist to me - beyond a handful of deep cuts, the only albums I really enjoy as albums are Honky Chateau, Goodbye Yellow Brick Road and Rock of the Westies. I want to say "Sorry Seems to Be the Hardest Word" may be the last memorable single of his "classic" run, even though I don't get the impression many fans like the album it came from. (I don't.)

Prince is a little more complicated because he kind of rebounded a few times, but as a massive Prince fan, I collected "everything" from his self-titled second album all the way to The Truth. (I do have "Soft and Wet" and the title track from For You on a homemade compilation.) But except for The Gold Experience, things were kind of uneven from Lovesexy to the end of that period. He was so prolific that with some pruning those years could've had some rock solid consistency, but you had stuff like Tony M being the weak link in the NPG, soundtracks like Batman and Graffiti Bridge that weren't going to be major works given how they came together, a three-hour album that had at best 90 minutes of great music, etc...

That's a lot of Elton John to love, actually.

It’s pretty good, particular Side B.

xp Except for a few big omissions, I thought To Be Continued was an excellent box set and somewhat underrated - it's almost a perfect Elton John collection, and that's four CD's packed to the brim. Sounds modest compared to the gargantuan sets released now, but for a consistently top shelf career retrospective, four CD's is a lot.