the toxicology report is in - god fucking dammit, Taylor.https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/pop-culture-news/details-emerge-colombian-authorities-investigate-death-foo-fighters-dr-rcna21689
― StanM, Sunday, 27 March 2022 05:00 (two years ago) link
I can understand needing drugs to deal with this world, but it is always sad when it takes out someone.
― earlnash, Sunday, 27 March 2022 05:03 (two years ago) link
This sucks.
"at age 50" feels absolutely impossible for this guy. He was about as youthful of person as I can think of; he has always and forever will be 26 years old in my mind.
― alpine static, Sunday, 27 March 2022 08:23 (two years ago) link
just something irrelevant I liked to read: https://magnetmagazine.com/2017/10/09/exclusive-cover-story-excerpt-liam-gallagher-interviewed-by-foo-fighter-taylor-hawkins/
― StanM, Sunday, 27 March 2022 08:29 (two years ago) link
I'd hang off the conclusions until the official word comes out.
― Mark G, Sunday, 27 March 2022 13:51 (two years ago) link
yeah otm
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 27 March 2022 14:54 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1qQuSuQaHY
this is such a good drum part
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Sunday, 27 March 2022 16:51 (two years ago) link
i should've posted the album version instead of the music video, the coda is the best part
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPN8JOeZxwQ
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Sunday, 27 March 2022 16:55 (two years ago) link
There Is Nothing Left To Lose is something else all the way through
― politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Sunday, 27 March 2022 17:07 (two years ago) link
A cherished concert memory of mine is seeing them on that tour, opening for RHCP (#onethread), and the arena erupting after Grohl introduced "Next Year" as a song he wrote "...after 12 long blunt hits".
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 27 March 2022 17:13 (two years ago) link
it really is a stunning album, i never tire of it & always re-decide a new favorite track each time
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 27 March 2022 18:13 (two years ago) link
Same here (though Aurora, Generator and Learn To Fly are probably the best things Dave's ever done) (the debut is pretty great, too)
― politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Sunday, 27 March 2022 19:52 (two years ago) link
Along with Taylor's family, just feel so bad for Dave right now, I know we're all on the same page
― politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Sunday, 27 March 2022 19:53 (two years ago) link
Pat Smear has seen some emotional shit over the decades is what I’m thinking.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 27 March 2022 20:57 (two years ago) link
its not great for anyone
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 27 March 2022 21:05 (two years ago) link
There seems something just bizarre about his death, like it shouldn't be possible at this point in time
― PaulTMA, Sunday, 27 March 2022 22:20 (two years ago) link
Oh yeah, definitely feel for Pat, too. But the fraternal love between Dave and Taylor was so tangible. Two peas from the same pod.
― politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Sunday, 27 March 2022 22:23 (two years ago) link
Stevie Nicks:
I just have to say~Thank goodness for the photo booth in the Foo Fighters studio. Because of these pictures my friendship with Taylor will always be at my fingertips. He always came to my shows. He and his best friend Dave even let me be a Foo Fighter for a little while. We recorded a kick ass version of Gold Dust Woman (live) and at the end of the song I yelled out “Best Gold Dust Woman ever~” And I meant itTaylor was very handsome and he was very cute. Sometimes that combination is way better than “beautiful.” I think it’s everything. He had a huge heart and a glorious smile. When he walked into the room, everyone looked up. When he left the room, everyone was sad…I am sad nowI am really sadIt’s like rolling thunderYes, that’s what I saidIt’s like a bad dream~Comes like a wave~Gives you a momentAnd then drags you away.Our hearts are broken,We will never be the same.As I write these words~I feel the pain.But I will always remember~That the laughter and the fameBrought us togetherTo play the gameAnd we played it, again and again and againAnd it was extraordinary~Don’t forget us, “ T.”We’ll be right hereLove you,Stevie
Thank goodness for the photo booth in the Foo Fighters studio. Because of these pictures my friendship with Taylor will always be at my fingertips. He always came to my shows. He and his best friend Dave even let me be a Foo Fighter for a little while. We recorded a kick ass version of Gold Dust Woman (live) and at the end of the song I yelled out “Best Gold Dust Woman ever~” And I meant it
Taylor was very handsome and he was very cute. Sometimes that combination is way better than “beautiful.” I think it’s everything. He had a huge heart and a glorious smile. When he walked into the room, everyone looked up. When he left the room, everyone was sad…
I am sad nowI am really sadIt’s like rolling thunderYes, that’s what I said
It’s like a bad dream~Comes like a wave~Gives you a momentAnd then drags you away.Our hearts are broken,We will never be the same.As I write these words~I feel the pain.But I will always remember~That the laughter and the fameBrought us togetherTo play the gameAnd we played it, again and again and again
And it was extraordinary~
Don’t forget us, “ T.”We’ll be right here
Love you,Stevie
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 28 March 2022 03:16 (two years ago) link
aw <3
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 28 March 2022 04:46 (two years ago) link
pic.twitter.com/RRuEDt67pz— Foo Fighters (@foofighters) March 29, 2022
― StanM, Tuesday, 29 March 2022 22:09 (two years ago) link
yeah jeez, i cant imagine trying to play anytime soon
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 29 March 2022 23:07 (two years ago) link
I honestly can't imagine them playing ever again. I hope I'm wrong.
― politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Wednesday, 30 March 2022 08:48 (two years ago) link
I'm still absolutely caning There Is Nothing Left To Lose btw.
Peak synthesis of Grohl as emotional animal and Grohl as craftsman.
― politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Wednesday, 30 March 2022 08:49 (two years ago) link
They're 100% going to record and tour again, I'm sure
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 13 April 2022 14:47 (two years ago) link
Yeah, but the supposed "Feel Good" aspect will have gone.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 13 April 2022 15:10 (two years ago) link
There will probably be a sentimental album and a "do it for Taylor" tour.
(sorry if that's crass, I haven't actually heard anything by them since the first two albums, but it's not like Dave Grohl is going to stop making music...maybe they'd change the band name out of respect, idk, but I doubt it)
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 13 April 2022 15:18 (two years ago) link
surely first a live album that features Taylor
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Wednesday, 13 April 2022 15:40 (two years ago) link
maybe rename the band Foo Fires? (Fighers, without the T)
― StanM, Wednesday, 13 April 2022 16:41 (two years ago) link
If the Rolling Stones can continue on without Charlie…Admittedly I don’t know much about the Foo Fighters, but I’m a little surprised at the suggestions that the loss of a longtime drummer (even a beloved one) would be fatal to the band.
― begrudgingly bound by duty of candor (morrisp), Wednesday, 13 April 2022 17:28 (two years ago) link
I've gotten to know more about the band, and it's become understandable now. I think you have to put yourself in their shoes rather than look at it from a cold perspective that analyzes everything on paper. Truth be told, I'm not the biggest fan of their music, and in terms of their albums, I would call the first two their best work, and neither includes Taylor. The band's also known to change their line-up throughout its history, so the idea of disbanding might not make any sense when you factor all that in.
BUT when I relate to real life aspects of it, I get it. For example, as a job: your job for one particular company probably changes quite a bit over time, with the people you work with, why you do it, etc. So what it was like the first few years you were there and why you stayed can be very different as to why you're there now. But more importantly, they weren't just co-workers, but incredibly close friends. For Grohl, it could be very painful to go back to their usual routines as a band because he was used to doing it with Taylor. There's a lot of things in life like that, where you enjoyed doing it, then it gets entangled with someone new in your life that you get close to, and then when something happens - you have a falling out or something tragic happens to them - you can't just keep doing it again like you did before it involved this other person.
― birdistheword, Wednesday, 13 April 2022 18:10 (two years ago) link
I think I botched that job comparison, but I was trying to make the point that even though Grohl was fine making those first two albums the way he did, it doesn't mean that's what he wants the Foo Fighters to be now. But regardless, all that takes a back seat to him losing a central figure in his personal life.
― birdistheword, Wednesday, 13 April 2022 18:12 (two years ago) link
yeah this is more like Rush losing Peart, emotions-wise not talent-wisehe’s not *just* a drummer he’s the lead singer’s best friend/soulmate etc lwhether you like the foo fighters or not, big dealwhether you think hawkins was good or not whatever- grohl is a human person who has suffered a deep personal loss & imo this may be an even bigger loss for him personally than losing kurt bc of what hawkins means to him. i think that’s kind of clear from their interviews & years together & it seems fair to guess as a human talking abt another human that this may take a much bigger toll
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 13 April 2022 19:12 (two years ago) link
hawkins struck me as the only guy in the band who had more than an employer-employee relationship with grohl.
― von kelson, Wednesday, 13 April 2022 19:31 (two years ago) link
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/taylor-hawkins-foo-fighters-tribute-1347073/
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 17 May 2022 12:29 (two years ago) link
really tough read
but i also loved reading chad smith and matt cameron talking about him
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 17 May 2022 13:21 (two years ago) link
wow yeah that was hard to read but what a comprehensive writeup.
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 17 May 2022 17:56 (two years ago) link
cameron released a statement on instagram that his quotes were taken out of context & he thought he was participating in a celebration of Taylor etchttps://www.instagram.com/p/Cdq-ooQvp2u
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 17 May 2022 20:20 (two years ago) link
it definitely does paint Grohl as the bad guy by association, like taylor vs grohl & his management which is unfortunate, and understandably not participating in the article can have unintended subtext
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 17 May 2022 20:25 (two years ago) link
That Grohl wanted to play as many shows as possible isn't particularly surprising, or especially damning really
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 17 May 2022 20:38 (two years ago) link
I guess maybe I'm more used to reading about the grind it out kind of bands and obviously I'm projecting onto a lifestyle I can't relate to at all, but... 40-60 shows a year doesn't seem that taxing, especially considering the (relative) luxury these guys can travel in. Not to dismiss his strain and difficulties with the lifestyle in the least, I guess I just expected to see a higher number than that after the first few paragraphs.
Of course, I guess if that's every single year it could get draining, instead of every 2-3 years or more for those big arena level bands.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 17 May 2022 21:02 (two years ago) link
That also struck me as sort of a low but number but it seems like part of the issue wasn't just the amount of shows but the travel involved, I mean doing a one off in Australia seems like a pain even if you are flying first class.
Not to mention that those 40-60 shows come with a lot of fan pressure to be "the best show ever!" and I don't think that is anyone's fault exactly more just that touring at that level seems like it can be a different kind of grueling to a more "get in the van" style.
And playing that style of drumming 2-3 hours night x 40-60 times a year, that also seems like it would be extremely hard on someone physically & mentally
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 21:16 (two years ago) link
That's all fair, was just surprised at the number.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 17 May 2022 21:19 (two years ago) link
I mean, on the last Rush tour Neil Peart was perfectly frank about how much hell all the drumming at his level it wreaked on his system and that was just a US/Canadian tour; it's all in the Time Stands Still doc. One of the crueler twists of fate (not as cruel as what happened here, granted) was that he completed the tour and was looking forward to just relaxing and enjoying the rest of his days, and then...
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 21:21 (two years ago) link
yeah i think the length of the shows + mostly high-intensity songs is what makes that show count taxing. and it’s not that it’s high for ~any~ band but more their subset it an older band that has been around since the 90’s
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 17 May 2022 21:22 (two years ago) link
xpost yeah exactly
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 17 May 2022 21:23 (two years ago) link
Tbh I had the same reaction, although I guess it's annoying if you have to fly to Australia and Abu Dhabi for one-off shows. Also surprised at:
-The stage fright/anxiety, which is very relatable, although I would think it would dissipate a few songs into the set, and someone who has been a professional musician their whole life would be used to that? But I can definitely understand not wanting to have a job that requires you to tour, and him feeling like he couldn't quit the band.
-The physical concerns, which shouldn't be that bad as long as you're not hurting yourself with bad technique, and as far as I can tell he had good technique (and Matt Cameron has excellent technique)? 50 is not that old, but I have no idea how history of drug abuse changes things.
xxxp
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 17 May 2022 21:24 (two years ago) link
i agree the piece does sorta paint grohl as bad or uncaring by association -- or i guess directly in some places -- but i don't think anyone would say that their schedule was objectively overly taxing for one of the biggest rock bands in the world. instead it just seems that hawkins had some real anxiety issues w/ performing -- he had done hundreds and hundreds of arena shows w/ foo fighters and still said that the day leading up to performing at MSG was "hell" for him -- and possibly performing/playing specifically w/ or for dave grohl. there's bands full of older guys who tour as much or more than this and play shows as long, but it's also easy to grasp why some ppl just wouldn't be built for that life especially as they get older.
the feeling that i got reading it was that he was trying to fight thru his anxiety, looking at things other ppl around him were able to do and pushing himself to get to that level even tho it was breaking him, privately telling ppl that he shouldn't be doing all of it but perhaps not really putting himself out there enough just to say "i'm done." maybe grohl & the band are lying about their interactions w/ him but i find it believable that he may have privately been saying one thing but then turning around and instead trying to live up to the expectations of ppl in/around the band who depended on him, that strikes me as something you do when you're fighting your own anxiety. then you add in the isolation of travel esp at that level of fame, whatever past addiction stuff he may have still been dealing with, in general it seemed like he was battling himself both mentally and physically, it's a bad alchemy. i wish he had found it w/in himself to just quit the band but it can be hard enough to let your anxiety win out to the point of, like, not going to a friend's birthday party or something let alone to quit your job as the drummer of the foo fighters.
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 17 May 2022 21:33 (two years ago) link
yeah it sounds like maybe the anxiety became more of an issue for him post-lockdown which is understandable
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 17 May 2022 21:36 (two years ago) link
great post jordan.
i will only add that i don't care how rich you are, long-distance international travel absolutely sucks and takes a significant physical toll.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 18 May 2022 00:56 (two years ago) link