or just being less responsive to what artists and consumers want etc
― ufo, Wednesday, 2 March 2022 23:58 (two years ago) link
yeah this is about as clear a case of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" as I can imagine
― bad milk blood robot (sleeve), Thursday, 3 March 2022 00:46 (two years ago) link
i feel like car companies are good at this kind of thing i.e. being wholly owned subsidiaries and so forth
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 3 March 2022 01:00 (two years ago) link
who is the JCLC referenced by sleeve?
― alpine static, Thursday, 3 March 2022 01:29 (two years ago) link
Joan Crawford Loves Chachi
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 3 March 2022 01:32 (two years ago) link
AKA Aerosmith's Steven Tyler
not really
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 3 March 2022 02:48 (two years ago) link
This, basically.
tbh I think the thing bumming everyone out about Bandcamp is that we're being reminded that there's no room in the current way of the world for a modest, sustainable success that generally benefits everyone opting into it. the sane option just never stays on the table very long.— Mike Sugarman (@sug_online) March 2, 2022
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 3 March 2022 03:31 (two years ago) link
Fortunately for our side all of (us) are too anti-capitalist to get a viable alternative up so, you know, hey, it was nice while it lasted
Skeptical at this snark as it demands ppl on this side be pro-capitalist enough to come up with an alternative yet anti-capitalist enough for that alternative to not then get bought up eventually.
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 3 March 2022 11:08 (two years ago) link
If it ain't broke? Make one's purchases playlistable and we'll be cooking on gas
― imago, Thursday, 3 March 2022 11:13 (two years ago) link
huge potential for confusion/character assassination: Epic Games was founded by a dude called Tim Sweeney.
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 3 March 2022 11:17 (two years ago) link
The good news is that Epic has left its other acquisitions alone so far.
― brisk money (lukas), Thursday, 3 March 2022 11:20 (two years ago) link
Why skeptical? Isn't this a real dilemma (as evidenced)?
― feed me with your clicks (Noel Emits), Thursday, 3 March 2022 11:43 (two years ago) link
Skeptical at the idea that if only more on "our side" were more pro-capitalist that would result in us coming up with a good alternative that wouldn't be bought out.
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 3 March 2022 11:44 (two years ago) link
having actual capital more useful than one's attitude toward capitalism iirc
― rob, Thursday, 3 March 2022 14:36 (two years ago) link
Yes, you need resources and motivation. You also need to be somewhat business oriented and probably employ people who are very much so if you're not to crash and burn. It's almost necessarily built in. (And that's what I took JCLC to be saying.)
That said, I'm surprised BC has sold out so soon.
― feed me with your clicks (Noel Emits), Thursday, 3 March 2022 14:50 (two years ago) link
Fourteen years is "so soon"?
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 3 March 2022 14:59 (two years ago) link
I mean so soon into being really established. But I guess when you're winning is when you cash in / cash out (or seek partnership, more charitably.)
It seems to have come as a surprise move to just about everyone in any case.
― feed me with your clicks (Noel Emits), Thursday, 3 March 2022 15:15 (two years ago) link
It just really bums me out that the one avenue that really seemed, both by design and increasingly in practice, to help artists out through the pandemic couldn't just stay the pretty damn wonderful tool it was.
On a more selfish level, it became such a balm during the worst weeks of the pandemic to use Bandcamp Fridays as a way to replicate the record store shopping experience and get hipped to new things from all the great Twitter thread recommendations people started doing. It was a level of community engagement and support that was really nice to see. Even though I can regularly shop in stores again, I'd hate to see that crumble.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 3 March 2022 15:46 (two years ago) link
This is some interesting background:
This, my dear indie musician friends, is a private equity firm's exit strategy on its investment in Bandcamp, so (a) you're not wrong in feeling mangled by greed and (b) I'm going to tell you, in broad terms, what's behind the curtain. #bandcamp 1/? pic.twitter.com/IO7LeWKLZh— Eilonwy has an emu, symbolically (@myemuisemo) March 2, 2022
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 3 March 2022 18:15 (two years ago) link
yeah, i figured the sale was related to paying back an investor or some sort of debt obligation. i have spent most of the pandemic learning stuff about real estate financing and valuation, acquisition debt, bridge loans, construction loans ... and this is actually similar.
― sarahell, Thursday, 3 March 2022 18:30 (two years ago) link
it's also weird thinking of Mat D as some sort of pundit, as opposed to the tech dude with a British accent lecturing me about the significance of dubstep outside West Oakland warehouse shows
― sarahell, Thursday, 3 March 2022 18:33 (two years ago) link
Haha, didn't know you knew him. I knew he had that DIY/punk scene background, and it's kinda too bad his music with Herndon has been overshadowed by his web3 evangelism. He seems like a well-intentioned and smart dude, but I just can't hang with anything blockchain-related and if that makes me a regressionist old person, so be it.
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 3 March 2022 18:45 (two years ago) link
well, i also associate him with GAFFTA (sorry, Gray Area, which for some reason was very annoyed by the use of the acronym GAFFTA ...) which has some cool programming but also some problematic aspects in terms of their vision/mission, which I understand, but I'm not really on board with, but possibly because I am not in techworld, and so I can't appreciate them? Idk. He left that org and moved to Europe prior to Ghost Ship, so I don't really associate him with the way Gray Area handled the relief funds and the fallout there.
― sarahell, Thursday, 3 March 2022 18:54 (two years ago) link
the tweets pointing out that bandcamp had vc investment so something like this was inevitable go a long way to explaining it. i can certainly believe this was the least bad option from bandcamp's perspective.
He seems like a well-intentioned and smart dude, but I just can't hang with anything blockchain-related and if that makes me a regressionist old person, so be it.
being into cryptocurrency junk means he's not well-intentioned, or not smart, or both,
― ufo, Thursday, 3 March 2022 23:18 (two years ago) link
i'm trying to build a prestige cassette tape collection for a recently acquired 40-tape wall rack. does anyone have suggestions for must-have albums that are available in cassette format on bandcamp? thanks.
― blue6ave, Friday, 4 March 2022 16:43 (two years ago) link
All the prestige Bandcamp-era tapes are sold out!
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 4 March 2022 17:31 (two years ago) link
no I returned mine this morning, it was just a 60 minute cassette of Casey Kasem cussing over a dead dog dedication, so you should see that one back in stock soon
― sorry Mario, but our princess is in another butthole (Neanderthal), Friday, 4 March 2022 17:32 (two years ago) link
This is in print
https://dilla.bandcamp.com/album/donuts
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 4 March 2022 17:37 (two years ago) link
Haven't really weighed in on the Bandcamp/Epic thing yet because I'm trying not to be negative. I do wonder where it will put people like me who put stupid amounts of bedroom recordings on there for free without the option to pay. Seems like that's something that will not stick around.
RE: cassettes — Donuts is indeed a fine choice. This is a recent favorite.
― Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Friday, 4 March 2022 20:29 (two years ago) link
The mighty Horse Lords have a cassette on there: https://horselords.bandcamp.com/album/horse-lords-expanded
― Position Position, Friday, 4 March 2022 20:33 (two years ago) link
The Bitchin Bajas Sun Ra tribute album on cassette is great: https://bitchinbajas.bandcamp.com/album/switched-on-ra
Also enjoy Dan Melchior's guitar instrumentals on cassette: https://cudighirecords.bandcamp.com/album/other-odes-and-further-excursions
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Friday, 4 March 2022 20:40 (two years ago) link
love that Bitchin Bajas one
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Friday, 4 March 2022 20:42 (two years ago) link
it's cool that it's not some super limited thing, yeah it's great
― thinkmanship (sleeve), Friday, 4 March 2022 20:46 (two years ago) link
also Sonic Youth just reissued Sister on cassette
Anyone know of an app that can compare one's music library to Bandcamp and generate a list of matches? I've been trying to go through artist-by-artist and it's tedious...
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 20 March 2022 20:29 (two years ago) link
Add to your #BandcampFriday shopping list with this handy tool - takes your mean green music machine 2021 wrapped playlist and finds the albums on @Bandcamp https://t.co/FVvOLECUOa— john jervis (@wiaiwya) February 26, 2022
this looks at your spotify playlists and finds matching bandcamp entries
― koogs, Sunday, 20 March 2022 22:29 (two years ago) link
Ooh, I need to try this.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Sunday, 20 March 2022 22:45 (two years ago) link
so, any lawyers want to unpack these new user terms for me? has anything actually changed?
― thinkmanship (sleeve), Thursday, 24 March 2022 00:42 (two years ago) link
I don't understand the covers thing. You don't have to get permission to cover a song as long as you pay royalties to the songwriter.
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Thursday, 24 March 2022 02:04 (two years ago) link
For more than a year I haven't been able to create an account in bandcamp because my email was linked to a defunct account that I couldn't access, so all my purchases were made as a guest and download only. I finally reached out to customer support, and they very helpfully unlinked my email from the old account. I set up a new account, and like magic, all my guest purchases got automatically linked to it, so I can now stream them whenever I want.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 24 March 2022 04:04 (two years ago) link
Is the covers thing retroactive? If you've previously uploaded a cover, do you now have to remove it unless you have the artist's permission?
― joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Thursday, 24 March 2022 08:14 (two years ago) link
Hmm, if you read the changelog at the end of the terms of use page, it seems nothing much has changed. The covers thing was already there.
― joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Thursday, 24 March 2022 08:21 (two years ago) link
― raven, Thursday, 24 March 2022 09:20 (two years ago) link
Things I bought this Bandcamp Friday:
Gideon "Mgibe" Nxumalo, Early-Mart (rare South African jazz reissue)Torn, Exit (Russian drum 'n' bass)Beastmaker, Left For Dead (one-man biker doom project from California)Peter Brötzmann/Fred Van Hove/Han Bennink, Jazz in der Kammer 1974 (Euro free improv)Alastor, Onwards and Downwards (psychedelic biker doom from Sweden)Black Sky Giant, End of Days Pilgrimage (instrumental psych/stoner doom from Argentina)Sirone, Artistry (reissue of an album by legendary free jazz bassist)
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 1 April 2022 22:16 (two years ago) link
new Charalambides (single 36-minute track)new albums by Legendary Pink Dots and Edward Ka-Speland this on the Optimo label: https://rudolfabramov.bandcamp.com/album/losing-perspective?from=fanpub_fb
― thinkmanship (sleeve), Friday, 1 April 2022 22:27 (two years ago) link
Anyway we have Bandcamp Friday in two days and as I'm apparently now the king of Bandcamp I'm here to help.
https://48hills.org/2022/05/ned-raggett-the-king-of-bandcamp-shares-tips-on-discovering-new-music/
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 4 May 2022 21:49 (two years ago) link
This may be inappropriate to ask, but do they give you credits of some kind or do you have to buy everything yourself?
There are people i follow who seem to purchase an astonishing amount, and it's not like they're trading in VG+ Steely Dan LPs for exchange
― .xlsm (P. Flick), Wednesday, 4 May 2022 21:55 (two years ago) link
Yeah, the article def does not ask the burning question of how Raggett stays so caked up
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 4 May 2022 21:57 (two years ago) link
https://miro.medium.com/max/720/1*ZvHgvo-YQLf6PLDwXcF9VQ.jpeg
― tylerw, Wednesday, 4 May 2022 21:59 (two years ago) link
Totally fair question. I've never received anything like that from Bandcamp itself, just the payments for my freelance writing and I of course do whatever with that. There's a small clutch of promo releases I've received download codes over time that are part of the collection but we are talking, say, a couple of hundred releases at most. Otherwise the rest of it, I'm just purchasing away.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 4 May 2022 22:03 (two years ago) link