Bark Psychosis: C or D

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ha never mind. mp3 lame encoding joke. intepret as:

please encode this for me at the best quality possible, i'd love to hear it.

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Various versions of songs (and even the whole album, almost) have been floating around SLSK for ages - Graham put them on there himself to see what happened!

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 17:00 (twenty-two years ago)

some of them were boymerang tracks. ew.

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 17:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Nah. Someone took four tracks that Graham leaked last summer and tacked them together with one Boymerang song and some other rare BP stuff, labelled it as the album and uploaded it. Most (all but the proper first track) of the proper LP has been up for a while, just not properly mixed and wotnot. Meaning that it misses the frankly bizarre answer phone message before track 8 that goes something like "What are you doing?! PLAYING ON YOUR SHATNER'S BASSOON?!" which I can only assume is a reference to Jam and Chris Morriss (Morriss used "Pendulum Man" in one skecth).

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

"Better than Hex" has got to figure in a review title/pun thing.

Keith Watson (kmw), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 18:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I've been totally thinking about that all day!

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 18:45 (twenty-two years ago)

A.D.I.D.A.H.

Stacey Pollen (Andy K), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 18:46 (twenty-two years ago)

this seems to be on slsk

t0ph, Tuesday, 1 June 2004 22:05 (twenty-two years ago)

"maybe even better than 'Hex'" so OTM
- only if O = off. or OT = "out tayrfreakin'" and M = "mind"

echoinggrove (echoinggrove), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 23:41 (twenty-two years ago)

and the finished release will be in a six-panel digipak.

echoinggrove (echoinggrove), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 23:43 (twenty-two years ago)

' "maybe even better than 'Hex'" so OTM '
so are you trying to say that it's DEFINITELY better than Hex?

t0ph, Wednesday, 2 June 2004 00:08 (twenty-two years ago)

i am very nervous about listening to this.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 00:13 (twenty-two years ago)

but, hey, roll on disco inferno reunion album.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 00:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh man, that's a vision -- but somehow it really really really wouldn't be the same.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 00:14 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah it would probably just sound like the byrds anyway

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 00:15 (twenty-two years ago)

that crause solo-single was fairly...un-good

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 00:15 (twenty-two years ago)

No, here's how the Pitchfork review might begin: "This band now seems to be wanting to do what Wilco does better..."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 00:16 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, that's exactly what i meant.

echoinggrove (echoinggrove), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 00:17 (twenty-two years ago)

< /sarcasm >

echoinggrove (echoinggrove), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 00:18 (twenty-two years ago)

what is the actual tracklisting of this? is it the one with shapeshifting and rose on it?

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 06:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Tracklisting and times are as Andrew Calaman posted above. For convenience, here they are again;

1.) From What Is Said To When It's Read - 5:29
2.) The Black Meat - 6:41
3.) Miss Abuse - 6:15
4.) 400 Winters - 5:48
5.) Dr. Innocuous / Ketamoid - 1:04
6.) Burning The City - 5:11
7.) Inqb8tr - 7:57
8.) Shapeshifting - 6:01
9.) Rose - 5:50
-----------------------------
Total running time: 50:16

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 06:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Although as you can see above, my CD player times it at 50:24.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 06:47 (twenty-two years ago)

why oh why are all the slsk leaks at 128? why oh why??????

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 06:48 (twenty-two years ago)

The stuff on slsk (that I've seen) isn't the fully mastered version anyway, and the version of "From What Is Said..." is totally different - the slsk leak one is about a minute long and instrumental. The proper release one is not. Now I know for sure that I've ripped it to my hard drive at 160kbs, but I also know that no one has downloaded it off me because I've hidden it (I ripped it for my iPod). What I don't know is how many other people got it off the PR yesterday, or whether Graham might leak it himself.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 06:50 (twenty-two years ago)

MP3s totally wont do this justice anyway, cos the first thing you lose with MP3 is space, and this record has a lot of space at certain points.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 06:51 (twenty-two years ago)

you are a killjoy, mr. I HAVE AN ADVANCE ON MY DESK man! We will have to suffer with our lossy lousy technology until next month...this comes out almost on my birthday, though. So that's one thing to look forward to as I stagger into middle age.

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 07:08 (twenty-two years ago)

ehehehe... If it's any consolation I forgot to update my iPod before I left the house, so I've not got it with me today, and I was meant to be leaving work at 3pm but I now have to wait till 5pm, so I wont get to hear it again till, oooh, teatime.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 07:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Listening to stuff at work is a bit of a nonstarter, but 'Shapeshifting' pretty well killed it yesterday when this came in. Very nice

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 08:15 (twenty-two years ago)

re Shatner's Bassoon

In the drugs episode of Brass Eye - while getting alleged celebrities to bang on about "the made up drug, Cake" - Noel Edmonds was persuaded to read out a script that claimed Cake affects a part of the brain known as Shatner's Bassoon, which deals with time perception.

I don't remember it being mentioned in Jam or Blue Jam.

ta

coco, Wednesday, 2 June 2004 09:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I think he meant "a reference to Jam" in that BP had a track on the soundtrack of one of the episodes

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 10:03 (twenty-two years ago)

You're both right - I remembered almost as soon as I'd hit submit that it was from Brass Eye, but "Pendulum Man" is used in an episode of Jam. I'd imagine Graham would be a big Morris fan.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 11:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Quick question : is the album version of "400 Winters" very different from the version that's been floating around the net for a few months now?

I'm asking because I adore that song, but have grown so accustomed to the "demo" version that hearing it any other way would probably ruin it for me ...

(which happened to me with "Morning Bell" by Radiohead actually)

stripey, Wednesday, 2 June 2004 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

From memory "400 Winters" is the same. Most of the early leaks have only been tweaked in terms of mixing and mastering, as far as I can tell, occasionally having something added but never anything even approaching radical alteration.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

phew.

stripey, Friday, 4 June 2004 16:54 (twenty-two years ago)

two months pass...
ok, so now that a few of us have this album already, talk to me about your impressions of it! (Favorite tracks, why, etc. How it compares with the other albums you've been listening to, etc.)

Haven't got much time to write up a response, but here's a few things to start off the discussion :

1) im hearing allusions to Sonic Youth's "Daydream Nation" -- especially the end of "400 Winters" where the piano gives way to a scratchy answering machine type message ("Providence" anyone?). This is not especially a bad thing ...! Also the textures and the mood of many of the songs. On first listen I also heard some Massive Attack influence, but not hearing it as much now. I think that's more to do with the mood. Also a little bit of David Sylvian seems to have snuck in there somehow too. Not sure which song title it is, but it's after 400 Winters. IN that song Graham's phrasing is very Sylvian. Also the little ambient bits that embellish the track. BUt the vibraphone makes it Bark-ish.

2) first song -- "From What Is Said..." -- love this track, especially the numerous guitar textures : the wah-wah that bubbles in the background, the "Hex" guitar that trickles through midway -- and of course THAT guitar ... I want this song to go on and on and on before reaching THAT point -- but of course that's the while point of why the song was structured like this : to make you yearn for the calm that you just lost. (love the airplane effect towards the end too. Is that a guitar also? Genius. Is there a more apt sound for the theme? I doubt it.) And I like how you can't quite sing the lyrics along with him because they aren't sung as they're printed. THis recalls the song "Hex", but is more successful in my opinion.

3) 400 Winters -- big shocker when I saw the lyrics (totally different from what I imagined them to be) and also to see that it was a woman singing! It always sounded too smooth to be Graham's voice, but since it's so low I still assumed it was a man. (I should explain : I'm an unrepenting shoegazer, so I'm used to hearing airy voices of both genders -- that may be why it's much easier for me to assume that this was a male singing than it would be for the rest of you who don't listen to a lot of MBV, etc.) Still love the song, regardless of who's singing it and what they're saying -- possibly even more now actually, for having been fooled so well. Anyone else have this sort of double disorientation (gender, lyrics) with this song?

ok got to get back to work now, but there's a start. Chime in with your thoughts on the album, nd I'll catch up when I can.

stripey, Wednesday, 25 August 2004 16:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I like the gong.

hector (hector), Thursday, 26 August 2004 02:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Really need to get this this weekend.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 26 August 2004 02:45 (twenty-one years ago)

It is quite simply everything we had hoped it would be, and far far more.

Rob M (Rob M), Thursday, 26 August 2004 13:12 (twenty-one years ago)

The thing is it's not a comeback or a reformation or an attempt to recapture past glories. It's just a guy who loves music taking his time and enjoying making it; in this respect, of course it's good, because there's no pressure or expectation, just music. Some people need a weight of expectation in order to try harder, but some people just need time to tinker.

Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Thursday, 26 August 2004 13:33 (twenty-one years ago)

>... because there's no pressure or expectation, just music. Some people need a weight of expectation in order to try harder, but some people just need time to tinker.<

Don't you see it as a bit of both though? A bit of expectation as well as love for the medium that's driving this? I say that because Graham is a notorious prefectionist, and perfectionism is essentially self-imposed pressure and self-imposed expecatation. And while perfectionism can be destructive for those who can't control it in themselves, it can also be useful and creative for those who can control it. On one side there's the inability to function due to the fear of messing up, but on the other side, there's an extra effort put into everything, so that everything done -- even trivial things --seems a little bit better than most, a little more refined than what would normally be expected in the situation. It's a difficult line to walk, (I know from experience -- both from having pulled it off and also from having overdone it).

So I think it's wise of him to have both a "day job" (producing) as well as a "night job" (making music), so that he doesn't have to feel compromised -- so that he can make his art slowly, for himself, instead of on a set schedule to meet the demands of a major record company, but he can still function day-to-day : still have a steady income and so on.

Thanks for all the links Sick/Nick! I'd actually read those all before, but it was good to read them again after having heard the album. I agree with you on many of your points, but want to quibble a little about the "Spirit of Eden" comparison ... I don't hear it.

Yes, I agree, it's almost irresistable to link "Dust" with "Spirit" simply because the same drummer's on board, but I think the sound and mood of "Dust" is much closer to Orang than to Talk Talk. There's a slightly sinister feel (like Massive Attack, but not as overt) and denseness that are more akin to, say the first two songs on Orang's "Herd" or to "Seizure" than to anything on "Spirit" (except maybe "Desire").

"Hex", in my opinion is a much better comparison to "Spirit" since both have fragility and sparkle and sparseness and reverence.

Oh, the song I was comparing to David Sylvian is the one that begins : "Did you ever hear the one ..." so what is that -- "Burning the City?" I still can't figure out the song titles! Great song. Love all the little tinny drum sounds in it. Lee is without a doubt my favorite drummer, and I like how he's always finding new ways to tickle our ears on both ends of the sound spectrum -- in the bass and the treble.

stripey, Thursday, 26 August 2004 20:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Finally got a copy tonight. Am listening now and am a very very happy man.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude, it completely rules. Don't understand why the girl sings so many sings. But the beginning of the second one, about standing on a beach on some strange land. . .album of the year? Enjoy it, guy!

trevor horn, Friday, 27 August 2004 04:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Stripey - aside from Lee's presence I don't think Dustsucker actually sounds like Spirit at all, but I am aware that the comparison will be a hook to lure in Amazon browsers!

Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Friday, 27 August 2004 07:04 (twenty-one years ago)

heheheh.
gotcha. ;)
carry on then ...

stripey, Friday, 27 August 2004 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

ok Ned, give us your thoughts.

stripey, Friday, 27 August 2004 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I will probably post something on Freaky Trigger and link it here. Very impressive of course, and your posts will have to stand for the eloquence needed in place of my own attempts. ;-) But the thing I was talking to Mr. Southall briefly about last night on AIM was the way that the album often goes back to the louder earlier days without replicating it. It might actually be the first time in a long while I've heard a variant of the soft/loud/soft gambit that's worked.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:49 (twenty-one years ago)

>and your posts will have to stand for the eloquence needed in place of my own attempts. ;-) >

ha! you flatter me. I didn't even have time to run them through a spellchecker!

yes, I agree about it being a return to old forms, but a revision, not a copying. Kind of like how "From what ..." is an improved version of the b-side called "Hex". And the mood is similar to the "Independency" stuff -- tense and spiney.

stripey, Friday, 27 August 2004 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

i really hate to be a head master. but the thread on codename: dustsucker is here. and yes it is album of the year. even album of the zero years, i think right now.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 27 August 2004 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, ok, thanks!

*adjusts bookmarks*

stripey, Friday, 27 August 2004 21:34 (twenty-one years ago)


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