so i've been reading blissblog lately and simon reynolds is kindof an idiot
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:55 (fifteen years ago) link
that's kinda a dumb name for a blog.
― actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:55 (fifteen years ago) link
Ironically enough.
― Juggalo Soldier (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:59 (fifteen years ago) link
I still never figured out what "hauntology" was about. I just figured anyone using it at the time was a hackademic I could delete from my RSS reader back when I used an RSS reader lol.
― swag'll rock (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 21:00 (fifteen years ago) link
hauntology = the study of making moanwave?
― actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 21:09 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't mind the stuff they mean when they talk about hauntology, but they make it such HARD WORK. I remember actually thinking Tender Buttons was kindof a fun record. TURNS OUT I WAS WRONG U GUYZ
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 21:11 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.xlr8r.com/mp3/2009/07/a1
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 21:17 (fifteen years ago) link
Reynolds' post was a little, erm, academic, but I thought it was pretty interesting. Especially for looking at the new age element.
Basically just weighing in so I can make a promise to the world: I will never be one of those music critics who goes around making up genre names. (Oh god I hope I haven't already done this at some point.)
― marc h., Wednesday, 22 July 2009 21:34 (fifteen years ago) link
marchism
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 21:35 (fifteen years ago) link
I'd think that making up genre names would be one of the fun things about being a music critic ... it's just that the ones Keenan's come up with are kinda lame.
― actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 21:36 (fifteen years ago) link
Who coined "moan wave" anyway?
― actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 21:37 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, what good are critics if not for coining new genres? Aren't those like clowns who don't make anyone laugh?
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 21:37 (fifteen years ago) link
"who've realized that noise is a bit of a dead end (better late than never eh?)"
"The New Age thing (one of the main imprints, run by the Skaters, is actually called New Age Tapes) cracked me up initially, in a "hipsters! whatever will they think of next!" sort of way."
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 21:38 (fifteen years ago) link
Really guys? Coining genre names sounds right about near "answering cell phone calls from publicists you don't remember giving your number" on my list of favorite things related to being a semi-pro music critic. But maybe I'm alone here.
Seems more like, I dunno, being a marketer or something. Which, fair play, but I mean, as a JOURNALIST, if people who listen to the music actually talk about it a certain way, debate whether it's moanwave or hauntology or punk or metal, then great, inform readers "hey there's this hypnagogic thing now." But I'd rather leave starting the next micro-trend to people who do that professionally. I'm just a dude who reviews those micro-trends. (I realize there's some give-and-take, I just don't want to come up with names that don't already have some meaning. There are too many awful genre names for the average music fan as it is.)
― marc h., Wednesday, 22 July 2009 21:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Who coined "moan wave" anyway?― actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Wednesday, July 22, 2009 5:37 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Wednesday, July 22, 2009 5:37 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
pretty sure it started on sp0ckm0rgue, which is an SF/Oakland noiz3 dude email list
― Hypnagog Minds (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 21:45 (fifteen years ago) link
Why isnt Fuck Buttons included in Hypopnogaglic pop?
I think it would be more fun to make up genre names for music you think is crap, than stuff you respect.
― actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 21:45 (fifteen years ago) link
xp Whiney - I'm on that list, and someone mentioned someone else coming up with it.
― actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 21:46 (fifteen years ago) link
I would bet every last thing I own on David Keenan having nothing nice at all to say about Fuck Buttons
― Pissed Jenas (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 22:02 (fifteen years ago) link
he doesnt have uk distribution for them?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 22:04 (fifteen years ago) link
A publicist or band coming up with the genre name themselves is like someone tapping themselves on the shoulder with a pvc pipe and giving themselves a knighthood.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 22:10 (fifteen years ago) link
i'm going to come out and say it - i started the term moan wave, or at least had a hand in it.
― Francis, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 22:37 (fifteen years ago) link
Is your name Luk3?
― actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 22:37 (fifteen years ago) link
y
― Francis, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 22:38 (fifteen years ago) link
you were the one given credit on the morgue ...
― actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 22:42 (fifteen years ago) link
you know the two of you should post on the rolling noise thread since nobody else does
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 22:44 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't buy/listen to much in the way of noise records though ... just see a bunch of shows.
― actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 22:47 (fifteen years ago) link
i post on brutalsfx for my noise needs. this list is just to read what the limey's are saying....
― Francis, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 22:48 (fifteen years ago) link
but :sigh: ok fine.
― Francis, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 22:49 (fifteen years ago) link
we could post highlights of b-sfx threads on the noise thread.
― actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 22:50 (fifteen years ago) link
fine with me
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 22:51 (fifteen years ago) link
At least this thread, and therefore this daft article and silly term, has got me listening to Emeralds. I'd dismissed them after hearing some of their older stuff - "Bullshit boring drone band" wasn't just a clever name - but really enjoying What Happened & Solar Bridge now.
― De Mysteriis Dom Passantino (jim), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 22:52 (fifteen years ago) link
not enough noise on ILM imo
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 22:52 (fifteen years ago) link
i saw emeralds play with TG here in brooklyn. tuff crowd no doubt, and the sound man was giving them problems but i thought they were good. unfortunately, the new age/noise cliche of starting out *soft* and ending *loud* was there. i aint no fans of build ups. get up and get out, thats my motto! :)
― Francis, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 22:54 (fifteen years ago) link
Do they actually end loud though? On record I kinda think they build up to something that's more expansive than actually loud. They're not really noisy enough to be a noise band but I did like Solar Bridge a lot and I haven't really given What Happened a proper go.
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 22:57 (fifteen years ago) link
This guy's a real turd. He's what, a decade late to the party? Noise + post-rock + hippie dippy crap = 2002-2006. Late to the party, man, so stop trying to make up for it by inventing funny soundin names
― Spectrum, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 23:35 (fifteen years ago) link
Bullshit Boring Drone Band is still good, i prefer their older stuff anyway. Allegory of Allergies still being the uh...masterpiece
Emeralds don't belong in that article really, he's trying too hard to lump in a bunch of stuff so it doesn;t seem as thin as it really is. Those guys aren't that dreamer/outer space surrealist type like The Skaters are
and James Ferraro makes up titles in his 'catalog' which people order to find out eventually they don't exist in real life, which Ferarro isn't about though....
― rizzx, Thursday, 23 July 2009 06:27 (fifteen years ago) link
Spectrum, what bands from 2002-2006 are you thinking of by the way?
― rizzx, Thursday, 23 July 2009 06:28 (fifteen years ago) link
― Spectrum, Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:35 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Jesus I fucking hate posts like this
― Pissed Jenas (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 23 July 2009 06:40 (fifteen years ago) link
lol @ b-sfx... i was a heavy poster there back in teh daze.
379 40th RIP
― (*゚ー゚)θ L(。・_・) °~ヾ(・ε・ *) (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 23 July 2009 06:45 (fifteen years ago) link
saw some great shows there. I remember how no one was supposed to stand outside and were supposed to walk around the block instead.
― actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Thursday, 23 July 2009 07:19 (fifteen years ago) link
Reynolds: "These American acts I've never heard whose music has been described by one journalist as 'woozy, nostalgic for 80s childhood' are not nearly as good as these completely sonically and culturally unrelated UK acts whose music has been described by me as 'wonky, nostalgic for 80s childhood'"
Still, points for "hipstergogic", I guess
― a passing spacecadet, Thursday, 23 July 2009 09:58 (fifteen years ago) link
woozy over wonky any day
― rizzx, Thursday, 23 July 2009 10:09 (fifteen years ago) link
what a disaster for woozy! (being lumped in with wonky like that)
― actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Thursday, 23 July 2009 10:10 (fifteen years ago) link
I think I must've got the wrong Ferraro stuff (there is, after all, a great deal of it, most of which disappears long before I know about it) because I haven't been reminded of 80s pop by what I've heard at all. Don't recall too many "bombastic 1980s power vocals" from Pocahaunted either but then I haven't listened in a while. I'm just going to imagine that everything else sounds like John Maus for the article to make sense to me.
― a passing spacecadet, Thursday, 23 July 2009 10:25 (fifteen years ago) link
i agree, i can see a band like Pocahaunted being inspired by that sorta stuff but they really don't sound like that at all
― rizzx, Thursday, 23 July 2009 10:27 (fifteen years ago) link
so er how about that british visionary jazz article eh?
That was interesting but the Wire just couldn't resist giving it a stupid tag like "Visionary Jazz". Only reason I bought this was because I was on my way up to Glasgow and needed something to read. Stopped buying it when it became a Goth metal rag for people who don't actually like rock music.
― Nuts, whole hazelnuts, HEEUUUUUUUURGGHHH! (Tom D.), Thursday, 23 July 2009 14:58 (fifteen years ago) link
when was that?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 23 July 2009 14:59 (fifteen years ago) link
Who gives a fuck?
― Nuts, whole hazelnuts, HEEUUUUUUUURGGHHH! (Tom D.), Thursday, 23 July 2009 15:02 (fifteen years ago) link
But, basically, when Chris Bohn took over
― Nuts, whole hazelnuts, HEEUUUUUUUURGGHHH! (Tom D.), Thursday, 23 July 2009 15:03 (fifteen years ago) link