this piece is not so long that you couldn't adequately skim it at the newsstand fwiw
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:00 (fourteen years ago) link
haha or you could just buy the damn mag
― tulsa anti-juggalo league (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:06 (fourteen years ago) link
and since I bought the magazine, I had read it before starting this thread..
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:09 (fourteen years ago) link
David Keenan is Wire's Julie Burchill, he's the guy employed as much to wind up the subscribers as for any other reason.
He described Wolves In The Throne Room as emo and fuzzpop about four issues ago. If it's not Derek Bailey or something that he totally respects, he just pulls it out of his arse.
― Doran, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:10 (fourteen years ago) link
But really, I don't get the claim that Skaters music has the same effect on the listener as Emeralds. I like em both for what they are but I don't see the similarity. Emeralds have that vast, tranquil Schulze-ish thing going on and Skaters produce the same feeling as when you realize your toast is burning and decide, fuck it, I'm eating it anyway.― Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Wednesday, July 22, 2009 1:14 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Wednesday, July 22, 2009 1:14 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Their fans are pretty much the same 200 people though.
― swag'll rock (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:12 (fourteen years ago) link
If it's not Derek Bailey or something that he totally respects, he just pulls it out of his arse.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:14 (fourteen years ago) link
Whiney OTM
― actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:14 (fourteen years ago) link
why are we surprised that music critics are total and complete wastes of time?
― Francis, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:20 (fourteen years ago) link
"we"
― Juggalo Soldier (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:23 (fourteen years ago) link
"you"
― Francis, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:24 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm not. I'm a very good cook, cocktail maker and expert direction giver and map reader.
― Doran, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:25 (fourteen years ago) link
He described Wolves In The Throne Room as emo and fuzzpop about four issues ago.
Haha I can kind of get with this too!
― Pissed Jenas (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:26 (fourteen years ago) link
Nah, seriously, "critics are awful" has been a favourite meme since I first read Henry Fielding rocking it from some point c. 1745.
― Juggalo Soldier (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:26 (fourteen years ago) link
Same here!
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:27 (fourteen years ago) link
and you've been contrary since 1745 too?xpost
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:27 (fourteen years ago) link
Down this road lies the madness of C. Eddy and a lifetime toiling in the fields describing the influence of Die Kreuzen on Ashlee Simpson* but for all that it is sometimes a fun way of thinking
*paraphrasing from some old ILM post that stuck w/ me
― Pissed Jenas (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:28 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost
It's nothing to do with contrariness and something to do with recognising a symbiotic relationship when I see one.
― Juggalo Soldier (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:28 (fourteen years ago) link
i heard they invented jokes in ice cr?ms college
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:46 (fourteen years ago) link
Reynolds weighs in
― Joerg Hi Dere (NickB), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:51 (fourteen years ago) link
so i've been reading blissblog lately and simon reynolds is kindof an idiot
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:55 (fourteen years ago) link
that's kinda a dumb name for a blog.
― actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:55 (fourteen years ago) link
Ironically enough.
― Juggalo Soldier (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link
I still never figured out what "hauntology" was about. I just figured anyone using it at the time was a hackademic I could delete from my RSS reader back when I used an RSS reader lol.
― swag'll rock (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 21:00 (fourteen years ago) link
hauntology = the study of making moanwave?
― actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 21:09 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't mind the stuff they mean when they talk about hauntology, but they make it such HARD WORK. I remember actually thinking Tender Buttons was kindof a fun record. TURNS OUT I WAS WRONG U GUYZ
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 21:11 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.xlr8r.com/mp3/2009/07/a1
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 21:17 (fourteen years ago) link
Reynolds' post was a little, erm, academic, but I thought it was pretty interesting. Especially for looking at the new age element.
Basically just weighing in so I can make a promise to the world: I will never be one of those music critics who goes around making up genre names. (Oh god I hope I haven't already done this at some point.)
― marc h., Wednesday, 22 July 2009 21:34 (fourteen years ago) link
marchism
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 21:35 (fourteen years ago) link
I'd think that making up genre names would be one of the fun things about being a music critic ... it's just that the ones Keenan's come up with are kinda lame.
― actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 21:36 (fourteen years ago) link
Who coined "moan wave" anyway?
― actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 21:37 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, what good are critics if not for coining new genres? Aren't those like clowns who don't make anyone laugh?
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 21:37 (fourteen years ago) link
"who've realized that noise is a bit of a dead end (better late than never eh?)"
"The New Age thing (one of the main imprints, run by the Skaters, is actually called New Age Tapes) cracked me up initially, in a "hipsters! whatever will they think of next!" sort of way."
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 21:38 (fourteen years ago) link
Really guys? Coining genre names sounds right about near "answering cell phone calls from publicists you don't remember giving your number" on my list of favorite things related to being a semi-pro music critic. But maybe I'm alone here.
Seems more like, I dunno, being a marketer or something. Which, fair play, but I mean, as a JOURNALIST, if people who listen to the music actually talk about it a certain way, debate whether it's moanwave or hauntology or punk or metal, then great, inform readers "hey there's this hypnagogic thing now." But I'd rather leave starting the next micro-trend to people who do that professionally. I'm just a dude who reviews those micro-trends. (I realize there's some give-and-take, I just don't want to come up with names that don't already have some meaning. There are too many awful genre names for the average music fan as it is.)
― marc h., Wednesday, 22 July 2009 21:43 (fourteen years ago) link
Who coined "moan wave" anyway?― actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Wednesday, July 22, 2009 5:37 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Wednesday, July 22, 2009 5:37 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
pretty sure it started on sp0ckm0rgue, which is an SF/Oakland noiz3 dude email list
― Hypnagog Minds (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 21:45 (fourteen years ago) link
Why isnt Fuck Buttons included in Hypopnogaglic pop?
I think it would be more fun to make up genre names for music you think is crap, than stuff you respect.
― actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 21:45 (fourteen years ago) link
xp Whiney - I'm on that list, and someone mentioned someone else coming up with it.
― actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 21:46 (fourteen years ago) link
I would bet every last thing I own on David Keenan having nothing nice at all to say about Fuck Buttons
― Pissed Jenas (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 22:02 (fourteen years ago) link
he doesnt have uk distribution for them?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 22:04 (fourteen years ago) link
A publicist or band coming up with the genre name themselves is like someone tapping themselves on the shoulder with a pvc pipe and giving themselves a knighthood.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 22:10 (fourteen years ago) link
i'm going to come out and say it - i started the term moan wave, or at least had a hand in it.
― Francis, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 22:37 (fourteen years ago) link
Is your name Luk3?
― actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 22:37 (fourteen years ago) link
y
― Francis, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 22:38 (fourteen years ago) link
you were the one given credit on the morgue ...
― actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 22:42 (fourteen years ago) link
you know the two of you should post on the rolling noise thread since nobody else does
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 22:44 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't buy/listen to much in the way of noise records though ... just see a bunch of shows.
― actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 22:47 (fourteen years ago) link
i post on brutalsfx for my noise needs. this list is just to read what the limey's are saying....
― Francis, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 22:48 (fourteen years ago) link
but :sigh: ok fine.
― Francis, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 22:49 (fourteen years ago) link
we could post highlights of b-sfx threads on the noise thread.
― actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 22:50 (fourteen years ago) link
fine with me
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 22:51 (fourteen years ago) link