Post a controversial music opinion

i mean i think the kernel of truth here is that it takes a whole lot of social construction to make noises mean something and that pop stars are good at using every tool they have to make that meaning as compelling as possible for as many people as they can.

Alfred otm & it’s not an uncommon thing, grift is having its use-other-words-please moment but I decided ages ago that someone calling a piece of art fraudulent or its maker a fraud is useless most of the time & bespeaks a sadly defensive attitude, like everyone is so terrified of being taken in

You seem nice so I'll be honest
And I'm gonna speak for everyone here and say
In the most constructive way possible
That you suck at posting

William Carlos Williams?

most of my favorite singers are objectively bad, I like being conned.

map otm!!!! and lol Alfred

what kind of con is it when a "good" singer makes terrible music?

this is just to say
i have admired the suits
that were custom-made in London
please forgive me

ray of light = a holy grift

another music opinion that isn't really controversial at all but i don't love-love william orbit, tho 'ray of light' is good.

thx for the psychoanalysis, but there is very little anger in my posts. confidence ≠ anger.

sorry if my fucking shitty language makes it sound like i'm angry. that's just the goddamn way i talk, consarnit.

okay, that was too far. i apologize for resorting to nineteenth century profanity. completely out of line.

alfred, if the world is truly at its end at least we can both close our eyes one last time with the knowledge that we were happy doing the things that we did. next round's on me.

you guys are fun.

william orbit is both dated but still Largely Good imo, he will continue to be mined for influence

one final thought: i think it's cool that madonna liked to mock organized religion. grifters taking on the even bigger grifters is always a good show to watch.

and again: i'm sorry if my communication style is offputting. it's not intended that way whatsoever. i'm a very smart alec-y, smarmy person in general, but i post with a natural smile on my face 95% of the time. this is a discussion forum and you guys are genuinely a billion times more intelligent than i'll ever be. i really do enjoy reading ever word. thank you for indulging me.

(unless you're saying i'm an asshole for my music preferences. that's kinda lame, but i like john klemmer so maybe i deserve it.)

blowin' gold is cool

would you say that Madonna is an abuser for gaslighting us into liking her songs?

Justify your love!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J1MRs_uUTs

so here's the wrap-up thought after rereading and how i shall leave it for now—

if there's such a thing as a "good tyrant" then surely there can be such a thing as a "good grifter." obviously not a compliment from my perspective, but hey, ymmv. i will say this: i applaud her, just in general terms, of her acceptance of lgbtq+ people. never have liked her music and probably never will; certainly don't abjure or judge anyone who does (in the end, you all love music, i'm told).

who are Good Tyrants --- Frederick the Great or something?

Grace Jones has an okay voice, but the presence of a deity.

She doesn't sing -- she intones.

There’s some kind of amazing story that August Kleinzahler tells of walking around with Allen Ginsberg and crossing paths with Grace Jones.

who are Good Tyrants --- Frederick the Great or something?

According to rumor, Voltaire took advantage of Fred's flute nyuk nyuk

I admit I'm lolling a little at "post a controversial music opinion (unless it's about Madonna, in which case keep that shit to yourself)"

Madonna is a bad singer a great pop star a great icon and has great songs in her toolkit I mean I'm not even a big fan but this is nonsense

My controversial music opinion these days is "white people shouldn't make country music"

* except Dolly Parton

*white Americans

white people shouldn't make country music

once upon a time, country was "I Walk the Line"

Now it's "I Like the Reich"

but i do like the reich....................... steve reich that is haha

*white Americans

I said what I said

Once upon a time we had Johnny Cash and Bob Hope…


now they’re dead. RIP

XP I'd counter by questioning your knowledge of eg Irish country music but let me be real

I would not be helping any argument id be trying to make by relying on Irish country music

Kathy Mattea, your time is up

18 Wheels and a Dozen GTFOs

ye was always on me mind

Taylor Swift's music is awful

agreed. is taylor also a "good grifter"?

when you think about it talent is sort of the ultimate grift

I really don't get this grift angle. Different people like different things, it's not a scam. If you pay money for a Taylor Swift song, you get that song either way, good or bad.

"i'm fine with being duped"

― get shrunk by this funk. (Austin), Monday, January 31, 2022 6:58 AM

and that's okay. but don't get mad at me for saying something like: yeah, people like ts and madonna are talented, but not musically talented (or: their strongpoints lie outside of making music).

there's nothing wrong with saying that, but I wouldn't call it a grift.

Really curious how you define "musically talented" in a way that excludes Taylor Swift. I am not in any way a fan, but to deny that she's good at making music seems to have no basis in commonly accepted definitions of terms.

people like ts and madonna are talented, but not musically talented

This is, without question, one of the top 5 dumbest things I've ever read on this site.

And that even takes into account the bizarre insistence that Madonna and Taylor Swift are somehow "grifters".

enh, i mean it's music for teenage girls so what do i know?

glad i've made such a memorable impression on you, jon. here's to many more!

also, for levity and balance: i think brandy's first album is better than anything madonna or ts have ever done or will ever do.

Why not sprinkle some misogyny on top of that hole you've already dug?

i fell for the grift as soon as i heard "best friend."